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Old April 19 2014, 01:56 PM   #46
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Re: TOS: Foul Deeds Will Rise, by Greg Cox (November 25, 2014)

^Dayton Ward's debut novel In the Name of Honor is set right after TFF and does some of that, I think. But the span between TFF and TUC is several years long. There's no reason why every adventure set there should have to reference that single movie.
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Old April 19 2014, 03:12 PM   #47
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Will this novel by chance reference The Final Frontier and try to logically retcon some of the implausibilities in the movie?
While I'm sure something from the movie will be referenced, but probably just a throw-away line. "Oh you mean like last year with Sybok" sort of thing. One should keep in mind the novel is just set after the movie. It is not meant to be a "correction" of the movie like The Good That Men Do was for TATV.
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Old April 20 2014, 04:01 AM   #48
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Re: TOS: Foul Deeds Will Rise, by Greg Cox (November 25, 2014)

Personally, I'm hoping more for offhand references here and there to the Volume 2 DC Comics stories (which are set in the very same timeframe as this novel) as much as anything from the preceding movies.

As Christopher pointed out, the timespan is pretty large between TFF and TUC, and there's lots of room for many tales to occur there.
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Old April 20 2014, 04:03 PM   #49
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Personally, I'm hoping more for offhand references here and there to the Volume 2 DC Comics stories (which are set in the very same timeframe as this novel) as much as anything from the preceding movies.
I wouldn't hold my breath there either. Greg Cox's novels usually tend to be accessible to everyone with references usually just to the shows and movies. His novels usually aren't connected to any novel continuity, and I don't think any of his novels reference the novel continuity either. Even No Time Like the Past's 24th century portion is set during the run of a TV series, making it the first 24th century novel in a while to not be connected in some way to the novel continuity. Although, that novel did feature a subtle reference to another of Greg's TOS novels, The Weight of Worlds.
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Old April 20 2014, 04:15 PM   #50
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Re: TOS: Foul Deeds Will Rise, by Greg Cox (November 25, 2014)

^The Rings of Time made a passing reference to DTI: Forgotten History, and vice-versa. Easter-egg nods don't have to make a work inaccessible; if they're subtle enough, they won't even seem like references except to those who recognize them.
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Old April 20 2014, 05:34 PM   #51
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Re: TOS: Foul Deeds Will Rise, by Greg Cox (November 25, 2014)

Yeah, Easter-egg type stuff is pretty much what I was thinking of, there, as opposed to massive asides concerning stories that many readers wouldn't necessarily have been exposed to. Just tiny, unobtrusive, little touches to acknowledge that those stories happened (without derailing anything in the main plot).

Makes it all feel like part of a greater, unified whole.
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Old April 20 2014, 08:55 PM   #52
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Re: TOS: Foul Deeds Will Rise, by Greg Cox (November 25, 2014)

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Personally, I'm hoping more for offhand references here and there to the Volume 2 DC Comics stories (which are set in the very same timeframe as this novel) as much as anything from the preceding movies.
I wouldn't hold my breath there either. Greg Cox's novels usually tend to be accessible to everyone with references usually just to the shows and movies. His novels usually aren't connected to any novel continuity, and I don't think any of his novels reference the novel continuity either. Even No Time Like the Past's 24th century portion is set during the run of a TV series, making it the first 24th century novel in a while to not be connected in some way to the novel continuity. Although, that novel did feature a subtle reference to another of Greg's TOS novels, The Weight of Worlds.
Well No Time Like the Past does also reference Yesterday's Son, a first for 21st century novels I think.
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Old April 21 2014, 12:32 AM   #53
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Hmm, good point. I forgot about that one.
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Old April 21 2014, 06:13 PM   #54
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Will this novel by chance reference The Final Frontier and try to logically retcon some of the implausibilities in the movie?
While I'm sure something from the movie will be referenced, but probably just a throw-away line. "Oh you mean like last year with Sybok" sort of thing. One should keep in mind the novel is just set after the movie. It is not meant to be a "correction" of the movie like The Good That Men Do was for TATV.
That's pretty much it, as far as TFF goes. There's some throwaway references to "that business with Sybok," etc, but this is not really a follow-up to TFF. To be honest, it's much more of a loose sequel to "Conscience of the King," twenty years after the fact.

(Sorry not to respond earlier, btw. I've been traveling and visiting family, so I've been off-line for awhile.)
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Old April 22 2014, 06:29 PM   #55
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(Sorry not to respond earlier, btw. I've been traveling and visiting family, so I've been off-line for awhile.)
What is this "off-line" you speak of?
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Old April 22 2014, 07:45 PM   #56
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Old April 23 2014, 02:47 AM   #57
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You mean like out on a farm or something?

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Old May 8 2014, 09:04 PM   #58
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I thought Serpents takes place during "The Lost Years."
you are correct. i just received my copy yesterday. the historian's note reads:

"the events in this narrative take place in 2273, only months prior to earth being threatened by the massive machine life-form known as v'ger."

the tough part for me (and organizing my bookshelf!) is does serpents take place before or after recovery? the fiction companion timeline from 2006 says recovery happens "just weeks" before TMP, but places it in 2272, and TMP in 2273.

from what i've read of the book so far (about 2/3 through), the narrative suggest after recovery.
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Old May 8 2014, 09:08 PM   #59
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No, nothing firm regarding when Serpents in the Garden takes place. The blurb doesn't say anything on the matter, and the cover avoids the issue by having Kirk out of uniform. In my opinion, it'll likely be set before TWOK, since that is allegedly more marketable than being connected to TMP. But then I could be completely wrong and it is TMP related in disguise, like DTI Forgotten History kind of was.
i just received my copy yesterday. the historian's note reads:

"the events in this narrative take place in 2273, only months prior to earth being threatened by the massive machine life-form known as v'ger."
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