Star Trek Continues Ep. 5: "Divided We Stand"...(spoilers)

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  1. Shyaporn

    Shyaporn Ensign Newbie

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    Also, age 40 in the 1968 is a far cry from age 40 in 2015 (he said hopefully...)

    40 is the new 28-ish!
     
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  2. Kor

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    It was actually discussed several pages ago.

    And the linked consciousness seems like a rudimentary version of the Borg hive mind; maybe the closest thing that could be generated by just a handful of nanoprobes.

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  3. FormerLurker

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    The thing that stood out to me about Doctor M'Benga is that all these years later, so many people still pronounce the name "Muh-BEN-guh", when the proper pronunciation is more along the lines of "UM-BEN-guh".
     
  4. Zaminhon

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    Since McCoy called him Dr. "Muh-Benga" in A Private Little War and Dr M didn't correct him, I'm going to stick with that pronunciation. :)

    Wait, you're right! M'Benga introduces himself as "Dr. Em-Benga" to Spock. (but I still think the actor pronounced his character's name wrong.)
     
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  5. Kor

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    If the name comes from a Bantu language, the M before a consonant should be its own syllable, but without any vowel. Try saying "Mmm," as in anticipation of a good meal, and then "Benga." :cool:

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  6. Zaminhon

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    ^That sounds right.
     
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    I was never a fan of "That Which Survives" so it's been a while, but I'm rewatching it to see more M'Benga and I forgot how amazing and hilarious Spock is in this episode. He has some great quips and one-liners. "That position, Mr Scott, would not only be unavailing , but undignified.", lol. Kirk also has a good one-liner -Sulu's talking about Tunguska so Kirk says if he wanted a Russian history lesson he'd bring along Mr. Chekov. Some gems in a pretty tedious episode.

    Also some weirdness - set phasers on grave digging mode.

    M'Benga pronounces his name correctly in this episode.
     
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  8. Warped9

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    I actually rather like "That Which Survises." What's interesting about it, after all these years, is that it would make an ideal kind of story for a fan production (with a planet set). You get characters off the ship and you need few quest characters.

    STC's take on nanites does smack of trying to sneak Borg like tech into the TOS universe which somewhat goes against the stated intent of not referring/connecting to later productions. Man, they really seem to have a hard time breaking that habit. You'd think a Counselor and a holodeck would be enough, but they keep going back to that well.

    The Orions in "Lolani" gets a pass simply because Orions were established in TOS. And the reference to Orion history is sufficiently vague and general.
     
  9. Shyaporn

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    I've noticed lately in rewatching TOS that McCoy almost habitually mispronounces names and alien words. I'm beginning to think it was an acting choice.
     
  10. FormerLurker

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    In "Journey to Babel", Amanda, Spock's mom, tells McCoy Spock had a pet Sehlat, which she pronounced "SAY-Laht". McCoy turns around and asks Spock about his pet "SELL-It".
     
  11. Shyaporn

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    Exactly! I thought that was hilarious. He does that a lot :)
     
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    Yeah, the Orions are like the Klingons for me. They belong in TOS, so using them in a TOS fan film makes total sense. Orions, Klingons, Andorians, Tellarites: they could use any of them and I'd be fine with them. Bring in a Bolian, and I wouldn't be quite so happy, but any of the TOS races just work within the rules they've set for themselves.
     
  13. Kor

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    ^ But not bumpy Klingons. :klingon:

    That threw me off when I watched NV/P2's production of "Kitumba."

    Though it works well in the Axanar vignette, since the whole look is more advanced and detailed than TOS.

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  14. Tim Thomason

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    Also of note: the episode begins with talk of "Friendship Three", no doubt a successor to the eponymous probe in the Voyager episode Friendship One.

    I don't think nanites in general need have any connection to Borg technology, but they did look awfully Borg-like in their closeup.
     
  15. Kor

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    ^ And in their ability to link people's consciousness together.

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  16. Tim Thomason

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    Well, at the very least Kirk and McCoy's skin-tone survived the process. Although they may have spent some time in an early iteration of Unimatrix Zero.

    Did Dr. M'Benga look up Dr. Phlox's remedy in curing a strange, nanite infection?
     
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    At this point I think we can assume that they aren't trying to break that habit. Whatever the stated intent, it seems clear that they're making exactly what they want to make- a TOS/TNG hybrid.
     
  18. MikeH92467

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    I enjoyed this episode. It was well-produced, well-acted and if the script didn't meet anyone's demands for something "new" and/or "groundbreaking", well, so what? I was entertained for 45 minutes and I think that's a great accomplishment that should be celebrated.
     
  19. Noname Given

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    Well the issue there is ST:TMP introduced the ridged Klingon look and in the Epsilon 9 opening scene where they are looking at the intercept Klingon video message; no one there is shocked insinuating ridged Klingons existed and were known of by the Federation in that time period.
     
  20. Kor

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    ^ John Byrne did a great job in his TOS comics of including just a few ridgy Klingons (as Imperial elite), but giving them a look that fit in with the rest of the TOS aesthetic. Mainly, the ridges were of the early single-row type that only appeared in TMP (not the more elaborate "plate" look from later on) and the costumes were a better fit for the TOS era.

    To me, seeing TNG-type Klingon makeup and an outfit right from STVI:TUC in "Kitumba" was like watching an episode of Mission Impossible from 1968 and having Tom Cruise pop up out of nowhere.

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