2014 MLB Season: How Many Pitchers Will Die For Our Sins?

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  1. 1001001

    1001001 Serial Canon Violator Moderator

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    Timby is right.

    Wins and losses mean a little something, but not much and certainly not enough to be the dominant statistic when judging a pitcher.

    Simply put, the pitcher controls too little of that equation.

    You could go 0-20 with an ERA of 1.50 on a lousy hitting team.

    You could go 20-0 with an ERA of 5.50 on a great hitting team.
     
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  2. Timby

    Timby o yea just like that Administrator

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    Precisely.

    In 2012, for example, Clayton Kershaw racked up a 2.53 ERA, a 1.02 WHIP and 6.2 wins above replacement. He only won 14 games, though. Does that mean Gio Gonzalez, who won 21, was a better pitcher that year, with an ERA that was more than a third of a point higher and issuing 30 more walks and hits than Kershaw? Absolutely not.
     
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  3. Danny99

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    Try telling that to Jays fans and Jose Bautista, who are ready to string up management by its heels for not getting Price.
     
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    Yeah, except for that week long stretch a short while back, there haven't been too many 50% off days from Papa John's around here. But things were looking up in the first game of the St. Louis series. :techman:
     
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  5. Danny99

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    The Jays win the now longest game in their history, 19-innings.
     
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    1001001 Serial Canon Violator Moderator

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    The Angels went 19 yesterday. That's crazy! More than two full games.
     
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    ^ Don't remind me. The Angels were lucky not to get swept in this series. Some poor managerial decisions by John Farrell (shocker) helped them salvage that extra innings game. :p
     
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  8. tomalak301

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    The Tigers/Jays went 19 too. First time in MLB history two games in two days went at least 19.
     
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  9. Ar-Pharazon

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    Is it me, or have there been a lot more extra inning games lately?
     
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  11. Use of Time

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    Meh, it didn't really bother me. In fact, he got on base after doing that and was promtly doubled up on a routine flyball after forgetting how many outs there were in the inning. He was harmless in the series. I'm not really interested in reviving a beanball war with the Nationals.

    That being said, it seems that there is just something all the time with Harper. Tremendous upside but he is really fighting it this year and I'm sure Williams is tired of having to answer for nonsense like this.
     
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  14. Yanks

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    I believe the Yankees have to sweep the Orioles in this 3 game st starting tonight to have a chance to make the play-offs.
     
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  15. Jedi_Master

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    So... what your saying is that they have no chance whatsoever of making the playoffs? :devil:
     
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  16. Timby

    Timby o yea just like that Administrator

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    I think the Yankees have already lost the division (their run differential is just terrible and it's going to get worse given the pitching problems; now that Baltimore's bats are starting to warm up again, I just don't think the Yankees will catch up to them) but they still have a pretty good shot at one of the wild cards -- one of them is going to come out of the West, be it the Angels or the Mariners, but I think the other wild card is going to be the Yankees, Royals or Blue Jays, and the Yankees have a shit-ton of remaining games against Kansas City and especially Toronto. They don't exactly control their own destiny but even a marginal improvement in their pitching would give them a healthy shot.
     
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  17. 1001001

    1001001 Serial Canon Violator Moderator

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    That's probably the cleanest thing living in that stadium.

    :p
     
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  18. Jedi_Master

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    :lol:

    No kidding. Can't blame the ownership for that, but you can blame MLB's intransigence. For now though, we will take our possum, hell we will adopt sewer rats if it means we beat the Tigers and win a World Series.
     
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  19. Mr. Laser Beam

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    So the Coliseum is now...Possum Lodge!

    "I'm an Athletic. But I can change. If I have to. I guess."
     
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  20. Yanks

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    That's why I didn't say "division".

    Tar baby returns and pitches wednesday... McCann and tex were warming up, but they are now on the DL.

    It seems like everytime we get "it" going, something happens.

    With all the injuries we've sustained, I can't believe we still have a shot.

    It can be done, but if we tank against the Orioles I think we are done.
     
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