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Old August 2 2014, 11:20 PM   #916
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Re: Marvel planning Guardians of the Galaxy movie!

I have to say I've never seen the "It could have been a Sunday" argument before.

In the Avengers there are lines (and actions) around them specifically creating a perimeter and working to contain the attackers.

The Army might've said the they were doing the same in MoS - can't remember offhand.

In GotG they say they evacuated the city but at the end there's a crowd around the crash site.
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Old August 2 2014, 11:21 PM   #917
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Re: Marvel planning Guardians of the Galaxy movie!

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Zack Snyder is the writer, though. In reality, zero people died (well, I hope zero people died). The rest is just a fictional number. If the writer makes the number 5,000, then the number is 5,000.
Which is just about as believable as a man from another planet gaining super powers under the light of our yellow sun, but sure, I get your meaning.
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Old August 2 2014, 11:49 PM   #918
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Alidar Jarok wrote: View Post
Zack Snyder is the writer, though. In reality, zero people died (well, I hope zero people died). The rest is just a fictional number. If the writer makes the number 5,000, then the number is 5,000.
Snyder directed, but he doesn't have a writing credit on the movie. Whatever the script has to say (and I'd be surprised if it had a definite number), the way he staged the final battle makes the 5,000 number totally unbelievable, and no after the fact declaration is going to change that.

You're right that it's all fiction, of course.
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Old August 3 2014, 01:27 AM   #919
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Zack Snyder is the writer, though. In reality, zero people died (well, I hope zero people died). The rest is just a fictional number. If the writer makes the number 5,000, then the number is 5,000.
And even writers can be wrong. J.K. Rowling intended for Hogwarts to have close to 1,000 students, but an extrapolation from Harry's year would give less than 300, which she herself has admitted is due to her difficulty with math.
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Old August 3 2014, 03:31 AM   #920
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After having seen the movie and having recently re-read the beginning of this thread, I hope those that posted their doubts back in 2012 will go and see the movie. Even more, I hope they enjoy it. I know there will be those who disagree, but I firmly believe this is one hell of a fun movie.
BTW, your post inspired me to look back through old posts in this thread. It was fun to read the casting rumors for Starlord (that actually mirrored the difficulties they had finding the right person). But I really wanted to post this post

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Old August 3 2014, 03:38 AM   #921
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Alidar Jarok wrote: View Post
Zack Snyder is the writer, though. In reality, zero people died (well, I hope zero people died). The rest is just a fictional number. If the writer makes the number 5,000, then the number is 5,000.
Well, only if the writer includes it in the movie. (Also, does Snyder even have a writing credit on MoS?) Since his number doesn't seem to match what is shown on screen, we can pretty much ignore Snyder's statement. Just like we ignore George Lucas' insistence that he always intended for Greedo to shoot first.
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Old August 3 2014, 10:24 AM   #922
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Trying to crunch actual numbers of casualties is beside the point. The real point is the enduring popularity of devastation porn (well, part of the point-- the rest being the generic nature of these movies, the lack of plot and characterization). In Japan, in the aftermath of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a new genre of movie evolved that revolved around the explicit destruction of whole cities by unstoppable radioactive monsters. Now, in the United States, in the aftermath of the World Trade Center attacks, we've seen a growing fetishism involving the sweeping destruction of cities by terrorist figures. Victims of violence becoming obsessed with violence. It says something troubling about the human psyche.
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Old August 3 2014, 03:38 PM   #923
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Trying to crunch actual numbers of casualties is beside the point. The real point is the enduring popularity of devastation porn (well, part of the point-- the rest being the generic nature of these movies, the lack of plot and characterization). In Japan, in the aftermath of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a new genre of movie evolved that revolved around the explicit destruction of whole cities by unstoppable radioactive monsters. Now, in the United States, in the aftermath of the World Trade Center attacks, we've seen a growing fetishism involving the sweeping destruction of cities by terrorist figures. Victims of violence becoming obsessed with violence. It says something troubling about the human psyche.
Especially since it started happening long before 9/11.

Movies like Independence Day and Terminator 1 and 2 say hi, by the way.
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Old August 3 2014, 05:25 PM   #924
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Not to mention the whole disaster movie craze from the '70s, which Independence Day was explicitly drawing from.
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Old August 6 2014, 04:49 AM   #925
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Scenes of this kind of destruction go back practically to the beginning of movies. Doesn't old the silent film Metropolis have scenes of the citywide destruction?
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Old August 6 2014, 09:52 AM   #926
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Of course. It's not a questions of random scenes or random movies. It's about Zeitgeist. The Arts reflect the times. The terrorist attacks of 2001 effected American culture as much as the atomic bombings in WWII effected Japanese culture. There's no way around it.
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Old August 6 2014, 12:47 PM   #927
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Blowing up cities is not a post 9/11 thing. It's an action/disaster movie thing.
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Old August 9 2014, 06:47 AM   #928
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Things have also kind of been escalating for a while now. Idependance Day predates 9/11 and it had tons of mass destruction. Everybody has been trying do bigger, and crazier actions scenes for decades, it's just that our modern CGI effects allow the movies to show more and more realistic destruction than ever before.
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