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Old July 18 2014, 07:51 PM   #16
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Re: FedCon 2014, Star Trek Phase II and Axanar Panel Videos

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Nick, do you know what Carlos is up to these days? I have been wondering what he has been doing after HF.
He's been working with JT writing and producing independent films. They're doing pretty well.

http://blueseraph.com/
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Old July 18 2014, 09:04 PM   #17
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Gerrold has always been an egotistical blowhard and one-hit wonder. I am eagerly awaiting the day I can eat my own words on this, but he keeps letting me down.
On the occasions where I worked with Mr. Gerrold I have found him to be very intelligent, funny and a joy to work with.

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Old July 22 2014, 01:38 AM   #18
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I strongly disagree with David Gerrold's assertion that only him and D.C. Fontana are the only ones who really know how to write "Star Trek." Granted, both Gerrold and Fontana have the most intimate knowledge — yet, if you're a decent writer and you understand the format, you can write a pretty darn good Trek story.
You are not quoting him correctly.
http://youtu.be/8h6Q6gRBcqA?t=9m8s

He said: "I think there are probably only two people in the world left, who understand how to write for the original Star Trek, and the other one is Dorothy Fontana."
I'm pretty sure that both Norman Spinrad and George Clayton Johnson would strongly disagree with Mr. Gerrold. Both have approached Phase II about filming their scripts, but CBS nixed them because CBS owns those scripts and wanted to keep them available to use as plots for Pine/Quinto Trek.

(and, yes, I was involved personally with those "negotiations" between P2 and the authors, and CBS, so it's a statement of fact.)
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Old July 22 2014, 03:48 AM   #19
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Gerrold has more credits on Trek than Norman Spinrad, but given the latter wrote "The Doomsday Machine" I'd say he knows how to write Trek at least as well as Gerrold.
Exactly so.

None of Gerrold's or Fontana's shows are in my top twenty favorites, so...
I should've clarified a bit — Gerrold did say he and Fontana were the only ones currently left who know how to write "Star Trek." Because Spinrad isn't around anymo— oh, wait.

Joking aside, "Blood and Fire" (PII version) demonstrated that Gerrold doesn't have the strongest grasp on the material, particularly the character of Kirk.
I must agree. "Blood and Fire" is among Phase II's weakest efforts (the idea that there was just too much good material to fit into a single episode is... amusing).
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Old July 22 2014, 05:21 AM   #20
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Exactly so.

None of Gerrold's or Fontana's shows are in my top twenty favorites, so...
I should've clarified a bit — Gerrold did say he and Fontana were the only ones currently left who know how to write "Star Trek." Because Spinrad isn't around anymo— oh, wait.

Joking aside, "Blood and Fire" (PII version) demonstrated that Gerrold doesn't have the strongest grasp on the material, particularly the character of Kirk.
I must agree. "Blood and Fire" is among Phase II's weakest efforts (the idea that there was just too much good material to fit into a single episode is... amusing).
There's good stuff in the concept of "Blood and Fire", but the allegory is a bit out of date and could've used an update.

After waiting for years for a gay relationship in Trek, we're given something that is treated on a pedestal and not as a real relationship with all the complications and ugliness that entails. It's almost too perfect and comes across as something that would've fit within the 90s television notions of gay relationships.

The tension between the captain and the crew is brushed aside with Gerrold's ludicrous "band of brothers" familial ideal of the Trek crew. They're professionals, not a family, doing a job. Sure they like and respect each other, but they don't always see eye-to-eye. Uhura's statement that Kirk wouldn't put them in danger is antithetical to the actual show and the events in "Blood and Fire." Kirk was always putting the ship in danger — has been since WNMHGB. That's his job. After all, "risk is our business." Of course, Kirk is putting the ship in danger in B&F. Would've been nice had there been more objection, particularly from McCoy.

Other than lip service, we never get the sense that anything is at stake for Kirk — we never feel the weight of command upon him. In Gerrold's novel, it's made clear that the captain is committing career seppuku. And there's a wonderful moment where the Morethan character (Worf substitute) objects to what the captain is doing. It's a good ol' fashioned Mexican standoff. In the PII version, it's this jingoistic moment: "No, sir, you're Captain Kirk and can't do any wrong." It felt almost as if it was out of late-TNG, not TOS.

And the Klingons contribute NOTHING to the story, not even tension. They watch TV basically. They're also there for a battle that has no consequence, except as an excuse to damage the Big E in the beginning so as to ... I dunno what to the story. It never really plays out. You could've had tension and drama without them even being in it.

So much potential. Most of it wasted in that story. The novel, like I said, was so much better. I was engaged, anxious and couldn't stop reading. I wished they'd used that more as the template for the episode.
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Old July 22 2014, 06:03 AM   #21
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IIRC, Carlos Pedraza wrote the teleplay for Blood and Fire. I believe David made some edits, but I don't know who was responsible for exactly what.
As I recall from the conversation we had, Carlos said he turned the TNG script into a Phase II script, then Gerrold took it back and made it a two-parter. That's my recollection, anyway, and I don't know if any other writers got involved.

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Insulting anyone personally, no matter who he is, is or should be forbidden on this board.
Sadly, you can see that happening even to people in this thread. One can call people on the carpet for their decisions or their work, but making it personal is unnecessary.

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There's good stuff in the concept of "Blood and Fire", but the allegory is a bit out of date and could've used an update.
I don't want to hash over that script again (we've done it before and elsewhere), other than to say I don't know how much is whose doing in B&F, but the script as filmed would fail the beat-sheet test hands down.
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Old July 22 2014, 08:59 AM   #22
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Are there any download for these videos? I often cannot get a good enough connection for smooth streaming.
We are considering making downloadable versions available, if there is enough interest.

We have however, recently started a Vimeo channel and these videos can be seen there, too. Perhaps Vimeo will stream better for you, please let us know.

http://vimeo.com/channels/fedcon2014

http://vimeo.com/startrekphase2

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Old August 17 2014, 11:27 PM   #23
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I cannot wait for Star Trek: Axanar. It's looking very good.
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