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Old August 8 2014, 06:20 PM   #361
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Anyway, the roundabout result was interesting, but I still don't quite understand how they work. I mean, how do you decide whether to go forward or to stop and let another car move ahead of you? How do the accident rates compare?
Rundabouts are simple, just remember that cars in the rundabout generally has precedence. Then it's just a matter of judgement of if you can go before any car already in it, say if there is a car at the opposite side of you or if they are signaling that they are exiting. Signaling that you are exiting is very important because that will tell those who wants to enter that there is space to enter the roundabout.

I'd say the biggest advantage of a roundabout is that you as a driver only have to care about cars coming from the left, compared to any other fourway intersection where you have to be observant of three.
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Old August 8 2014, 07:59 PM   #362
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For a second, I was wondering if I was watching a Top Gear car vs plane race instead of Mythbusters.

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As for drivers not paying attention to conditions, I still remember the time when I was coming off the Pennsylvania Turnpike and caught in a jam that was inching forward maybe a couple of meters per minute. The car in front of me was able to move forward a few meters before stopping, but I just stayed where I was, because it would waste more gas to keep accelerating for a few seconds and braking for a few seconds than just to wait until there was room to move forward more steadily. And the car behind me honked at me. Why? If I had moved ahead promptly, they only would've gained a few meters of headway, which was hardly worth honking the horn over. It wasn't as if my moving forward would make the hundred cars in front of me move forward. The instinct to deal with a traffic jam by crowding forward as much as possible and hungrily snatching every inch of progress at the earliest opportunity is counterproductive.
That's one of those "I just wanna feel like I'm making some progress" situations. It may be illusory but it makes me feel better. I'd honk at ya too. In fact, I'd be checking the other lanes hoping for a way to get around you. Welcome to NJ!
The problem with leaving a big gap ahead of you is that other cars may weave in to try and get ahead of the traffic... at the expense of slowing down your commute since there are now more cars ahead of you and you haven't moved an inch.
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Old August 8 2014, 08:11 PM   #363
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As for roundabouts, we have a small "traffic circle" (same thing, different name) in my home town which I grew up with, and a larger one near work. I didn't think they were such a rare thing in the US. There WAS one at a major highway intersection near me many years ago, but it was remodeled into a simple on/off ramp at some point. I guess the locals couldn't handle it at highway speeds.
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Old August 8 2014, 08:13 PM   #364
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For a second, I was wondering if I was watching a Top Gear car vs plane race instead of Mythbusters.

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As for drivers not paying attention to conditions, I still remember the time when I was coming off the Pennsylvania Turnpike and caught in a jam that was inching forward maybe a couple of meters per minute. The car in front of me was able to move forward a few meters before stopping, but I just stayed where I was, because it would waste more gas to keep accelerating for a few seconds and braking for a few seconds than just to wait until there was room to move forward more steadily. And the car behind me honked at me. Why? If I had moved ahead promptly, they only would've gained a few meters of headway, which was hardly worth honking the horn over. It wasn't as if my moving forward would make the hundred cars in front of me move forward. The instinct to deal with a traffic jam by crowding forward as much as possible and hungrily snatching every inch of progress at the earliest opportunity is counterproductive.
That's one of those "I just wanna feel like I'm making some progress" situations. It may be illusory but it makes me feel better. I'd honk at ya too. In fact, I'd be checking the other lanes hoping for a way to get around you. Welcome to NJ!
The problem with leaving a big gap ahead of you is that other cars may weave in to try and get ahead of the traffic... at the expense of slowing down your commute since there are now more cars ahead of you and you haven't moved an inch.
Indeedy. In my daily selection of traffic jams, I look for those gaps and zip into them if that lane is crawling slightly faster.
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Old August 8 2014, 09:35 PM   #365
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Just for fun, here's one of my typical commutes home at 5X speed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDic7TZaO8M
I love how the guy just a few seconds in pretty much tries to plow into a bus.

And then about half-way through the video what I was talking about above. During one of the traffic jams we see it is due to police activity on the shoulder (looked like an accident or maybe a disabled car as a car was being put on a truck.) Traffic was crawling up until that point and then BOOM everything is operating normally. There's just something about that "point of interest" that gets everyone down to a crawl and then once they've had their look it's back to normal.

I get slowing down or moving over to create something of a safety-buffer between you and the activity in the shoulder but sometimes when I encounter this it's just really, really too much. One time traffic for me was very much like that. The point of release? A disabled motorcycle in the shoulder. Way over on the edge of the shoulder practically leaning up against the rail of the overpass it was on in no way, shape, or form an obstacle for traffic on the roadway, no way it COULD be considering this is a very wide shoulder that actually becomes a bus-lane a little further ahead it's so wide. But, none-the-less this motorcycle over there was apparently distracting enough to cause people to slow down to a crawl.

Kind of on the topic of "bad driver/driving experience stories:" I was driving to a ball game one evening and this was during evening rush-hour in one of the busier interchanges in the city even on a non-game day and traffic was pretty much at a stand still as people tried getting into the two lanes leading off the highway and onto the road that leads to the stadium/to a nearby community. So we're crawling along, I'm occasionally letting people in (providing they a) had their signal on, b) weren't on their phone, c) weren't trying to force their way in.) When all of the sudden I get passed on the right by a car going vastly faster than I am. I'm going, at best, 5 miles an hour. I have to keep my foot on the brake just to keep the car from making me go too fast at idle and a car whips past me probably going 30 or 40.

What was going on? Asshole passed me, and everyone else behind me and in front of me, by driving in the shoulder (which even had rumble strips.) And it wasn't a particularly wide shoulder making the potential for him to crash into a car, the sidewall of a bridge/overpass or ending up the dirt was pretty high.

Really one of those moments I wish I was a undercover-cop in some crazy Inspector Gadget-like world where I flip a switch, my car turns into a police cruiser and I go and pull that guy over and ticket him for being an idiot.
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Old August 8 2014, 09:50 PM   #366
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The problem with leaving a big gap ahead of you is that other cars may weave in to try and get ahead of the traffic... at the expense of slowing down your commute since there are now more cars ahead of you and you haven't moved an inch.
Yeah, but then I'm helping thin out the larger congestion a little bit by giving them that space. The problem is that drivers' selfishness, thinking only of themselves, is counterproductive, because their collective selfishness and urge to get ahead without consideration for the traffic around them makes the congestion worse and slows them down along with everyone else. It's been proven that if more drivers would just allow a little more space to form ahead of them, then there'd be far fewer traffic jams. In this, as in most everything else in life, you do yourself more good by being considerate to others.

Also, I'm doing myself good because I'm wasting slightly less gas than I would by constantly starting and stopping. The less you need to brake, the more money you save yourself. So again, grabbing at the short-term perception of personal gain actually leads to personal cost.
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Old August 8 2014, 10:19 PM   #367
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So again, grabbing at the short-term perception of personal gain actually leads to personal cost.
If only employers would learn that...
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Old August 9 2014, 03:26 PM   #368
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At the point in my video labelled "traffic jam #1", it's a 3-lane-to-1-lane merge where one highway empties onto another highway. Almost every day some people use the shoulder to pass the jam. Over the years I've seen a cop catch them maybe twice.
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Old August 22 2014, 03:13 AM   #369
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New episode 8/21, apparently an unannounced season finale:

Boarding an aircraft: I'm puzzled by the assertion that airlines always board back to front. When I flew to and from the Shore Leave convention recently, I was in one of the last zones to board each of the planes even though my seats were in the middle or toward the rear.

Nice to see the great big hangar again. And ya gotta hand it to those volunteers for being willing to put themselves through the airline boarding experience without actually getting to go anywhere.

I'm not surprised the WILMA method worked so well. It makes so much more sense to seat windows first and aisles last! I have to wonder why airlines don't already use it. I guess the drawback of the two WILMA methods is that they were complicated to explain, but the last test got past that easily by just printing zone numbers on the tickets. I wonder if this episode will bring about some changes in the industry. Probably not, though.


Tooth bullets: For some reason I found this very disgusting. I wasn't bothered by the bone bullet, but I could hardly bring myself to look at all the teeth. And good grief, they actually put those in their mouths?

I don't really agree with their decision about the tooth shotgun round being a good match for the standard round. Sure, the center of the grouping was in the same area, but the grouping was much wider, meaning fewer pieces would've struck a real target.

Anyway, no surprise that the myth was busted. It sounded fishy to me from the start, the premise that a pathologist wouldn't be able to tell the difference between bone fragments from the victim and tooth fragments from someone else. It seems to be a myth based in total ignorance of what forensics can do.

On the other hand, I can definitely see them getting a CSI episode out of this, and I'd be surprised if they haven't used it already.


And now the bombshell Adam and Jamie dropped at the end... Kari, Grant, and Tory are leaving????? "Back to basics" with just Adam and Jamie? I'm totally shocked. True, I've had my criticisms about the trio's methodology in the past couple of seasons, but they were getting better this year. And Mythbusters without Kari scarcely bears contemplating.

By the way, it took less than five minutes after the announcement for someone to edit Kari's Wikipedia page with the news. But apparently there was no advance notice of this. I wonder why they're leaving. My guess is that they're spinning off their own show. But it won't be the same, and Mythbusters won't be the same without them.

Plus I wonder if they'll be able to keep up the same number of episodes if it's just Adam and Jamie. That would double the workload for them, and they're each a decade older than when they started. Honestly, I had expected that eventually one or both of them would retire and turn the show over the B team. Seeing it go the other way around is quite a shock.
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Old August 22 2014, 03:32 AM   #370
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D*mn! I think I bruised my jaw when it hit the floor! That was certainly a "bomb" to drop in our laps! I loved the chemistry of "the trio"! They "clicked". Well, maybe they will get their own show, but the way Adam and Jamie spoke, they gave the impression they had no idea what might happen with the others. If they did, you'd think Savage and Heineman might have said something like, "Be sure to catch the trio on their new show..."

I think I'll have a lil' sniffle when I retire for the night.

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Old August 22 2014, 03:43 AM   #371
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Well, maybe they will get their own show, but the way Adam and Jamie spoke, they gave the impression they had no idea what might happen with the others. If they did, you'd think Savage and Heineman might have said something like, "Be sure to catch the trio on their new show..."
In the entertainment industry, there's often a long gap between when the creative people know about a project and when they're able to talk to the public about it, because it takes time for development and contracts and approval of involved parties and other such stuff to fall into place. So Adam & Jamie could know but not be in a position to tell us.

Or it could simply be that the trio's show is on another network unaffiliated with Discovery, in which case the highers-up don't want Adam & Jamie to promote the competition. (If so, then they've escaped a sinking ship and I wish A&J would follow them to some other network that isn't so completely fraudulent with most of its programming. Did you hear that Discovery actually lied to shark experts in order to get quotes that they could take out of context and misrepresent on their totally faked "documentaries" about monster sharks?)
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Old August 22 2014, 03:51 AM   #372
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One of my hugest pet peeves is when someone responsible for creating an educational animation doesn't know that only the goddamn lead bullet comes out of the gun, and the brass cartridge either stays inside (rifles and revolvers) or is ejected out the side (semi-autos). Basic, simple firearms knowledge. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

And then they made me cry by saying Kari was leaving.
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Old August 22 2014, 04:00 AM   #373
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Kari's leaving?! But... But.... But....



I hope she, and the others, are getting their own show or something because I can't see any intelligent show producer saying, "Yeah, let's get rid of the attractive woman on our show!"

I really have nothing to say about the episode after that bombshell.... It's just...

Painful.

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Plus I wonder if they'll be able to keep up the same number of episodes if it's just Adam and Jamie. That would double the workload for them, and they're each a decade older than when they started.
This news is getting quite a bit of discussion on the MythBusters subreddit, and quite a few people there have brought up the (quite reasonable I think) point that the show used to have fewer myths per episode whole going more more in-depth on the build process; if this is a return to basics for the series, that could well be the plan. If we get one, maybe two myths an episode with more of the behind-the-scenes process it'll probably work fine. The show's current form is so results-focused that we're undoubtedly missing days if not weeks worth of footage from each myth so it'd be easy to get an episode up to the proper length by putting some of that back in.

Plus – according to what I'm reading – Adam and Jamie have been pretty vocal recently about wanting to show more of the build process and get more rigorous about the science and engineering. We can only hope that trimming the B-team is part of a renewed focus.

As for the news: I'm shocked but I can't say I'm too upset. I can still recall how vividly annoyed I felt, way back when, seeing these less-charismatic not-Jamies and not-Adamses begin to intrude on the show after the first season; even though it's been years and Tori, Kari and Grant have certainly earned their place on the show, I think on some level I never really stopped viewing them as interlopers. It's a minority opinion, though I've seen a few people here and there express similar. It'll be interesting to see how the show fares from here on out.
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If the goal is to show more of the planning and building process, I think I could go with it even if it means one "big myth" per episode. But the Jr. Mythbusters were usually a lot of fun to watch and, well, Kari.
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