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Old August 6 2014, 11:01 PM   #31
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Re: Season SEVEN OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

Perhaps not extensive, but I always considered Explorers to be the first CGI heavy episode, but I might be overestimating how many shots of the lightship there were.

In any case, there was a substantial amount of CGI in DS9, some of which I'd be very excited to see upgraded.
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Old August 7 2014, 04:41 AM   #32
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Perhaps not extensive, but I always considered Explorers to be the first CGI heavy episode, but I might be overestimating how many shots of the lightship there were.
According to the Deep Space Nine Companion, there were 12 shots of the lightship in "Explorers" (the ship also later appeared in "Accession"). ILM's John Knoll modeled, textured, animated, and rendered the shots himself between work on Star Trek: Generations and Mission: Impossible. I wonder if he still has the files? He also created elements for the updated Season Four title sequence.
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Old August 7 2014, 04:38 PM   #33
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Thanks, everyone, for clarifying about the use of CGI in DS9.
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Old August 8 2014, 12:59 PM   #34
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Lucky my theater used the 4K projector (which now runs both ads and films) instead of the old advertiser they used before converting to digital cinemas. I would have been annoyed watching from a advertiser projector, seeing the scan lines on the screen.
Hmm, that's odd your theater would use the expensive 4K projector to run ads, burning precious time on the more expensive lamp. Trailers, sure... but ads? I guess it's ultimately up to the theater, but that sounds really, really unnecessary. You're very lucky you saw TNG that way, though! From what I understand that's unusual. Fathom usually only exhibits on the advertising projector, which can vary in quality from theater to theater -- at least that's the way it was in 2012. I know that Fathom was essentially bought by AMC, Cinemark and Regal right at the end of last year, so it has changed ownership. Maybe that means all showings now use the 2K or 4K cinema projectors.

My Season Two screening was plagued with technical issues (sound problems and delayed by over an hour) and looked very, very murky and dark. And this was at the AMC Burbank 16. It was relegated to one of their smaller screens. It was so underwhelming, I refused to see "The Best of Both Worlds" the following year. Which is a shame, as I probably looked forward to that the most.
I'm not too sure my theater using the 4K projector for those specials, I only assume it because the image projected looks so much better than the old advertiser I used to see back in the 2000s. I noticed this change back in 2010 when the Regal chain in my area digitally converted two locations with Sony 4K projectors, maybe they also acquired better quality advertisers too. I'm only making assumptions.

I only saw the screenings for S2 and TBOBW, and experienced no technical issues. I actually did catch other Fathom Events that year with the TCM special airing classic films, catching TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD and THE BIRDS. There was one technical issue with the latter, but it was thankfully very brief (one second the screen goes blank, then the screen comes back with a brief display on the corner saying "1080i signal").
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Old August 8 2014, 07:52 PM   #35
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Lucky my theater used the 4K projector (which now runs both ads and films) instead of the old advertiser they used before converting to digital cinemas. I would have been annoyed watching from a advertiser projector, seeing the scan lines on the screen.
Hmm, that's odd your theater would use the expensive 4K projector to run ads, burning precious time on the more expensive lamp. Trailers, sure... but ads? I guess it's ultimately up to the theater, but that sounds really, really unnecessary. You're very lucky you saw TNG that way, though! From what I understand that's unusual. Fathom usually only exhibits on the advertising projector, which can vary in quality from theater to theater -- at least that's the way it was in 2012. I know that Fathom was essentially bought by AMC, Cinemark and Regal right at the end of last year, so it has changed ownership. Maybe that means all showings now use the 2K or 4K cinema projectors.

My Season Two screening was plagued with technical issues (sound problems and delayed by over an hour) and looked very, very murky and dark. And this was at the AMC Burbank 16. It was relegated to one of their smaller screens. It was so underwhelming, I refused to see "The Best of Both Worlds" the following year. Which is a shame, as I probably looked forward to that the most.
I'm not too sure my theater using the 4K projector for those specials, I only assume it because the image projected looks so much better than the old advertiser I used to see back in the 2000s. I noticed this change back in 2010 when the Regal chain in my area digitally converted two locations with Sony 4K projectors, maybe they also acquired better quality advertisers too. I'm only making assumptions.

I only saw the screenings for S2 and TBOBW, and experienced no technical issues. I actually did catch other Fathom Events that year with the TCM special airing classic films, catching TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD and THE BIRDS. There was one technical issue with the latter, but it was thankfully very brief (one second the screen goes blank, then the screen comes back with a brief display on the corner saying "1080i signal").
Ah, okay... see that sounds more likely. Your theater probably acquired top of the line Christie 1080p projectors to handle the advertising and Fathom events. They can look pretty good, but they still lack the lumen output and vivid color of a 2K or 4K cinema projector. They'd probably look a whole lot better if the image wasn't being thrown so far and on such a big screen. In a home, on a ten foot screen, it would look outstanding. The fact that you saw "1080i signal" in the corner while watching Fathom's showing of THE BIRDS pretty much clinches it.

In our TNG screening, they had to reboot the satellite set top box several times that the content was playing off of. It even got reset right in the middle of "The Measure of a Man." The whole theater went dark right around the time the screening was scheduled to end, like it was on a timer or something. If I remember correctly, it was a Dish Network logo that appeared during boot up. Cue tons of laughter from the audience. "Can we change channels and see what's on HBO?"

Since it was essentially a satellite transmission, I could tell the bitrate was fairly low, probably half the quality of the Blu-rays. And the sound was not DTS-HD MA, of course. There were several moments during the screening when I wished I had stayed home and watched the episodes on my home projector, as I had gotten the S2 set from Best Buy a week early. My but certainly would have appreciated it. We were in that theater for damn near five hours!
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Old August 9 2014, 03:13 AM   #36
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Looks like the All Good Things may be getting the standalone release:

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Based on the discussions during the panel, they seemed to indicate that the 2-episode length series finale "All Good Things" will be the featured episode to get the stand-alone release treatment for S7. Specifically it was revealed it will get a new special commentary and that CBS planned in advance to give it special attention. Okuda noted…
Mike Okuda: By the seventh season of Next Generation at Paramount we were a well-oiled machine. But at the same time the CBS team is an even better well-oiled machine. So episodes that are fairly complicated, they are going "yeah, we can do that." So it is just a pleasure to see them tackle this work. The final episode of Next Generation "All Good Things" – which is a feature film in itself – they said "this is going to be a huge project, so we are going to start early on that one so we can get it right."
All Good Things has to be a standalone featured. I've waited for 20 years to get the episode as it was originally aired. The syndicated version is even more infuriating because they cut out one of the best parts, where Q admits the idea of giving Picard a helping hand was his idea.
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Old August 9 2014, 11:50 AM   #37
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All Good Things has to be a standalone featured. I've waited for 20 years to get the episode as it was originally aired. The syndicated version is even more infuriating because they cut out one of the best parts, where Q admits the idea of giving Picard a helping hand was his idea.
Why did you wait so long? It's been on DVD for over a decade.
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Old August 9 2014, 11:54 AM   #38
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Interesting point about AGT. I do hope they have those scenes on the box sets (it is so easy to add those to a Blu-ray) as I have refused to "double-dip" thus far.
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Old August 9 2014, 12:23 PM   #39
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C'mon, All Good Things will be the proper "feature length" version in the season set for the same reason that Encounter at Farpoint was.
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Old August 9 2014, 12:31 PM   #40
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I certainly hope so.
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Old August 9 2014, 03:34 PM   #41
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The original "extended" 1h32m cut of AGT has always been available on DVD, and will be available on Blu-ray too.
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Old August 9 2014, 05:55 PM   #42
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All Good Things has never been on DVD in the split syndicated format. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Old August 9 2014, 09:24 PM   #43
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As someone who owns all 11 Blu-ray releases thus far, I'm just a tiny bit disappointed that they didn't put the split version of "Encounter at Farpoint" on the Season One set. We know they made them, of course, since Part I and Part II aired on BBC America. But I know the people who didn't pick up the Next Level sampler disc would have been furious. But it would have made a certain kind of sense: keep all the split parts on the season sets and put the movie-length versions on the stand alone releases.

But, unfortunately, the split versions of the pilot and finale will never be available on disc. I'm not saying I prefer those versions, I just mean for completeness sake.
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Old August 9 2014, 09:51 PM   #44
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Speaking of AGT, is it true that Christian Slater appeared in it (as a character named 'Sutcliffe') but all of his scenes were cut?
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Old August 10 2014, 03:40 AM   #45
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But, unfortunately, the split versions of the pilot and finale will never be available on disc. I'm not saying I prefer those versions, I just mean for completeness sake.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I honestly don't see the point. What purpose would it serve to put the butchered versions of these episodes on the discs? Unless I'm missing something, there is nothing there of real value like scenes inserted that weren't there in the original aired versions.
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