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The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

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Old July 16 2014, 08:38 AM   #46
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I guess this one would be a matter of user experience, in-universe. Early on, our heroes would not bother with creating detailed settings, but they would learn by doing. And the holodeck would also learn to cater for their exact tastes, no longer having to go for generic and bland.

We did get a detailed setting from the get-go - the location shoot for "Encounter at Farpoint" - so it's apparently not a technology issue. While the technology might not be new, our specific TNG heroes would be new to it, so it would only be natural for the "quality" to take a plunge once the ship was off the hands of the original engineers and test crews... And then slowly recover to the location shoot level.

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Old July 16 2014, 06:01 PM   #47
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True, but unfortunately spoiled in Redemption.
Not necessarily, there is an alternate interpretation how Tasha actually kept her heroic death in the aftermath of "Yesterday's Enterprise".

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Old July 17 2014, 06:37 PM   #48
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In conclusion, Yar just can't catch a break and is fated to have lame deaths.
Oh my god, they killed Tasha!

Those bastards!
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Old August 3 2014, 04:54 AM   #49
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I just finished watching this episode for the first time. I wasn’t expecting Yar to die *gasp and holds breath* and in such a fashion! *Exhales with disappointment*
Yes, she died in the line of duty but somehow it had such a boring “feel.” Especial after a whole dialogue going with Worf about combat and techniques. I was thinking she should have died with more meaning, more flare, more or a guts and glory as the chief security officer and warrior woman she was.
Perhaps it was the dialogue?
As for Armus, oily goo as a villain— mmk. He seemed indestructible, powerful and his words- evil , his only shortcomings came from himself. However, I was wondering from what “Beings” did Armus come from since it wasn’t clear? and will there be another appearance of him in later episodes of TNG?

Or is declaring the planet “off-limits” like the ultimate no-go for everyone and hence no (because nobody in all the galaxies will never go to an off-limits planet- like ever)?

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Old August 3 2014, 05:28 PM   #50
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We know our TOS heroes completely ignored the warning buoys of others in the first-ever regular episode filmed already, and kept doing that till the end of their adventures. Unless all alien species put their Kirk-equivalents to jail rather than in starship command, yes, somebody will meet Armus again...

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Old August 3 2014, 08:54 PM   #51
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At least we all know where VENOM came from now...
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Old August 3 2014, 09:03 PM   #52
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I was thinking she should have died with more meaning, more flare, more or a guts and glory as the chief security officer and warrior woman she was.
That was the point of the episode, that death can come quickly and unexpectedly, and with no grand heroics. Personally, I would have rather seen them build her up throughout the episode and then kill her off. The funeral scene felt like 5 pages of padding. The nature of her death is referenced a few times in later episodes.
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Old August 3 2014, 09:03 PM   #53
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Yes, she died in the line of duty but somehow it had such a boring “feel.”
But she was on duty, engaged in a rescue mission of two Starfleet officers, both injured, one quite badly.. This was a part of what she trained to do with her career.

Her death did in fact have meaning and purpose.

Guinan (on this matter) is full of feathers.

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Old August 3 2014, 10:53 PM   #54
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Was it just me, or does the crashed shuttle look like somebody working there just stopped caring? It looks like complete shit and I'm not even sure what it reminds me of, but it sure as hell isn't a shuttle. It looks like Therapy Art, of some kind ... "The Egg of Blah!". When Armus covers that shit up with his Metamucil® ... it's a relief.
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Old August 4 2014, 03:01 PM   #55
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I just finished watching this episode for the first time. I wasn’t expecting Yar to die *gasp and holds breath* and in such a fashion! *Exhales with disappointment*
Yes, she died in the line of duty but somehow it had such a boring “feel.” Especial after a whole dialogue going with Worf about combat and techniques. I was thinking she should have died with more meaning, more flare, more or a guts and glory as the chief security officer and warrior woman she was.
Perhaps it was the dialogue?
As for Armus, oily goo as a villain— mmk. He seemed indestructible, powerful and his words- evil , his only shortcomings came from himself. However, I was wondering from what “Beings” did Armus come from since it wasn’t clear? and will there be another appearance of him in later episodes of TNG?

Or is declaring the planet “off-limits” like the ultimate no-go for everyone and hence no (because nobody in all the galaxies will never go to an off-limits planet- like ever)?

Alex

I think it had to do with the fact that "Star Trek" main characters never die, unless the actor wants to leave the show. It wasn't a story idea, there was never a feeling of risk for any of the other characters. They could easily transferred Yar to another ship. I don't know what was happening behind the scenes or what peoples attitudes were, but it smacks of "you want off, you're off for good." Killing her just because they can, which is exactly what Armus said, really.

I'm curious about these "beings" that left Armus there. He could have been lying. You would think these newly good "beings" would have done something more to contain that thing. So It could be found again.
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Old August 4 2014, 05:41 PM   #56
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Love this episode. I thought giving Tasha a 'meaningless death' was absolutely the right way to go, gave it a real impact that even a regular character can simply be alive one minute and dead the next. Armus despite his physical short-comings was also a terrific villain, he oozed with maliciousness (pun intended ) and it was great to have a bad-guy who is an evil bastard just because he IS evil. A refreshing change. On the whole it's a favourite of mine.
Shortcomings? I thought he was rather slick...

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Old August 4 2014, 05:45 PM   #57
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Aside from Tasha's poorly executed death, I thought it was an OK episode. It's Troi's best episode of season 1. Her and Picard's interactions with Armus were a highlight.

Funny that Spock's Brain is brought up as the quintessential "bad" episode. I found The Alternative Factor and And The Children Shall Lead to be on a completely different level of awfulness. Spock's Brain is tame and somewhat enjoyable by comparison.
I hate "And The Children Shall Lead". It's come to a point where I can't see even a part of it.
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Old August 4 2014, 05:51 PM   #58
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Ro > Yar. If they killed off Ro like that I would have been absolutely heart broken.
I wonder how different it would have been had she replaced Kira on DS9.
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Old August 7 2014, 01:55 AM   #59
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Yar is the Optimus Prime of TNG, destined to be killed again and again and again.
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Old August 8 2014, 08:54 PM   #60
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That or to be Elliot Gould's mistress in Ray Donovan.

I'll take Armus for 500 Alex.
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