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Old July 31 2014, 08:17 PM   #376
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Re: Was NCC-1701 active for 40 years?

If you lump all the ships within the Federation as Federation ship, than there is no possibility of two ships carrying that same name from any planet, organization, private family, or Starfleet. This is not how things work in the present day, as about three years ago there were three "Enterprises" (that I am aware of) in the United States alone. Not even getting to any private vessels or company ships that might have that name that get missed by Wikipedia. Plus there was at least one HMS Enterprise in service with the Royal Navy at this time.

Around 1986 there was both a USS Avenger and an HMS Avenger.

Through this sort of thing would normally be a problem for more common or famous names. Some names are more military than most, though Starfleet has going towards more scientific and exploration based names when it comes to people they name ships after, as oppose to military leaders or heads of state.
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Old July 31 2014, 09:21 PM   #377
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If you lump all the ships within the Federation as Federation ship, than there is no possibility of two ships carrying that same name from any planet, organization, private family, or Starfleet.
It seems to work perfectly fine in Star Trek.
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Old August 1 2014, 06:33 PM   #378
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But you can still lump together different ships from different Federation worlds as being Federation ships for the sake of brevity ...
But why would you even want to do that?

Or would you "lump" a Canadian warship and a Turkish warship together simply because both of their countries signed the NATO treaty?
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The starships of the civilizations that have memberships aren't Federation ships.

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Old August 1 2014, 07:47 PM   #379
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But you can still lump together different ships from different Federation worlds as being Federation ships for the sake of brevity ...
But why would you even want to do that?
The answer was in the rest of my post you omitted.
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Old August 2 2014, 12:08 AM   #380
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If you go down the list. You will notice there were three USS. Enterprise in service of the US. Navy at the same time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise
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Old August 2 2014, 05:33 AM   #381
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If you go down the list. You will notice there were three USS. Enterprise in service of the US. Navy at the same time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise
If you're referring to the BLDG-7115, its not a ship. The CVN-80 isn't built yet.
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Old August 6 2014, 12:34 AM   #382
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Maybe the ringship Enterprise was some specialized long-range ship that was on a decades long mission. Therefore, no other Federation ships were using the name since it was in active service, and the mission was of such import, depicting the ringship took preference over NX-01. (We'll just have to imagine that the cleaning lady didn't put it back into the correct place in Marcus' office lineup. Lol)
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Old August 6 2014, 04:15 PM   #383
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I think there probably were Enterprises after Archer and before Pike. The comics have one at least. A Daedalus Class Enterprise would make sense for the 2160's. Admiral Archer on hand for the commissioning. That one in service until around 2200 or so. Then another for Robert April to command. Maybe Pike too. That one in service from the 2210's or 2220's until the 2250's and then the NuKirk one from 2258 onwards.

For the Prime timeline, I would keep the Daedalus Enterprise, add another Enterprise to replace it in the early 2200's, and then the Constitution Class Enterprise from 2245 to the 2280's.
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Old August 6 2014, 04:19 PM   #384
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Maybe the ringship Enterprise was some specialized long-range ship that was on a decades long mission. Therefore, no other Federation ships were using the name since it was in active service, and the mission was of such import, depicting the ringship took preference over NX-01. (We'll just have to imagine that the cleaning lady didn't put it back into the correct place in Marcus' office lineup. Lol)
I wish more had been done with the ring ship Enterprise. But because they established such a long interval between Warps 1 and 2, the Enterprise must have been a fairly slow ship that didn't get that far from Earth. Id rather they said Warp 3 and 4 had been around a long time. Alas.

I am guessing a new Enterprise right after the NX-01 is retired.
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Old August 6 2014, 05:12 PM   #385
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The ring ship Enterprise might have been Vulcan tech based and faster than warp 2. No idea after that.
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Old August 6 2014, 06:13 PM   #386
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But because they established such a long interval between Warps 1 and 2, the Enterprise must have been a fairly slow ship that didn't get that far from Earth.
What I want to believe is that the Enterprise NX-01 possessed the first indigenous Human engine capable of significant warp speed, but from the start of Human interactions with aliens (not just the Vulcans) we had been purchasing and importing other species engines,

The Enterprise "ring-ship" would be an example of such, the ring is characteristic of the Vulcan design and other species besided them might employ (and export) it too.

The imported ring warp drive would have been faster than the home built Cochrane style engines. Starfleet could have had a political mandate to use Human design engines on their ship, or at least on a percentage some of them.

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Old August 6 2014, 08:03 PM   #387
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But because they established such a long interval between Warps 1 and 2, the Enterprise must have been a fairly slow ship that didn't get that far from Earth.
What I want to believe is that the Enterprise NX-01 possessed the first indigenous Human engine capable of significant warp speed, but from the start of Human interactions with aliens (not just the Vulcans) we had been purchasing and importing other species engines,

The Enterprise "ring-ship" would be an example of such, the ring is characteristic of the Vulcan design and other species besided them might employ (and export) it too.

The imported ring warp drive would have been faster than the home built Cochrane style engines. Starfleet could have had a political mandate to use Human design engines on their ship, or at least on a percentage some of them.

I had a whole history worked out for why they looked different prior to the airing of Enterprise. Because the Alcubierre system uses rings, I layed out two rival ways of achieving Warp. One which is a descendent of the Alcubierre system, which I called the Alcubierre-Norment system (involving a 21st century French physicist named Norment), and the Cochrane system.

Cochrane got there first, but other teams with other systems eventually flew their own vessels, with a ring ship model succeeding in reaching Warp 1 a couple of years after Cochrane did. The XCV-330 Enterprise was a later vessel in that lineage.

But given what was established in Enterprise something more like what you describe might do better to have a Warp 2 plus Earth ship prior to the NX-01 program.
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Old August 6 2014, 08:47 PM   #388
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What's sort of funny is that since the ring-ship looks more like what a possible "warp drive" ship might look like, if it were based on the hypothetical Alcubierre drive, the ship on the Rec Room wall TMP may have more accurately depicted Earth's first warp-capable ship than we actually got in the later productions.
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Old August 6 2014, 11:40 PM   #389
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The trouble is that the Alcubierre style drive is presently only rated to possibly making it to just over Warp Factor 2 (eight times the speed of light) by making a ship able to go ten times the speed of light (roughly Warp Factor 2.154).

The Ring Ship Enterprise might have had such a drive as it does predate the NX-Alpha test ship. However it might not have worked up to its full ability, making only 7.5 times the speed of light (just under Warp 2) but still faster than the Warp 1.8 freighters.

Or the Alcubierre drive was combined with Vulcan tech since Vulcan ring drives were a known and did make it to warp 2 or 3 (even warp 4 would be impressive). But tech deals with Vulcans might be an issue. The Vulcans were trying to keep the humans back a bit, and would be iffy on warp technologies. The Cochrane based Archer drive would mean the humans could build the drives themselves rather than importing parts from Vulcan for a hybrid Alcubierre drive.
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Old August 7 2014, 12:55 AM   #390
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Sorry for the confusion, I was just joking that it was amusing that in 1979 they stuck the ring-ship Enterprise on the Rec Room wall, and that it ends up being a better representation of a possible "first warp capable ship" based on today's real-life theories than any TNG-era retcons.
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