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Old July 30 2014, 02:08 AM   #76
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Re: CJ1701's Current Project: U.S.S Pike

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Old July 30 2014, 05:10 AM   #77
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So I've doing some thinking. Because "Starfleet" built the USS Vengeance, and despite the fact it's an affront to everything starfleet is supposed to be about. I can't help but think what ramifications that would have for later generations of star ship design.

Example: The aforementioned ship CAN catch up to another ship in warp, destroy a small planet several times over with it's photon torpedo slingshot thingy..ugh *shudders*. Still the ship has enough advancements to outclass an early 24th century prime-line star ship.

So as an artist, I think what does this mean for the ship design in the late 23rd to the 24th century?

Well, lets look at the starship evolution here:

The enterprise is majestic, light, and dare I say it a little fluffy. (note that Im considering ALL the factors here)

The Refit Enterprise, looks sleeker, more utilitarian, but still keeps the majestic feeling. Why? Klingon Cold War, that's why.

The Excelsior, looks like a Japanese car of its time period. Still sleek, but more muscular.

I'm not talking about the C. Nope. Nuh uh. Not Happening.

Now onto the the "D". Due to starfleet being a bit more "relaxed", we get the galaxy class. A ship with Character, but not military looking at all. She's a rubber duckie in space. Despite that opinion, I do like the design of the Ent-D. She was my first. Still, she looked as threatening as a rubber duck.

That all changes when the Borg came and pimp-slapped the federation at Wolf 359, then the dominion came in and caused all sorts of trouble. Like WW2 on a interstellar level trouble.
What happens when we get in trouble like that? We become a "nation" of war. And that affected design. Look at the Sovereign, Voyager, Akira, Defiant. Sleek, Solid, looks dangerous, vertically smaller target. They LOOK like ships for war, no argument there.

But despite the fact those two threats took a bite out of the federation. Neither of those guys accomplished what Nero did. Blew up(Read as; sucked into a cosmic toilet bowl generated by red mac-guffin.) an entire planet that was the homeworld to one of the founding members of the UFP!

To use an example from the real world here. 9/11 was(is?) a tragedy, but it happened over a decade ago. The event is still fresh for a bunch of people though, and that was only two buildings, and the pentagon from what I remember.
Imagine half of us moved to Mars, then some alien prick comes along and blows up Earth. I would think that would stick with us for at least over a century.

So back to the JJ-Verse. The ramifications of Vulcan getting flushed down the proverbial cosmic toilet bowl, would completely change starfleet well longer than a century. Hell I think Into Darkness didn't go far enough into that topic. So where am I going with this?

Well to put it bluntly, any peace era federation starship: Ambassador, Galaxy, Nebula, I'm looking at you. Would not exist. At all. Period. We would jump straight from Excelsior, to Sovereign in a flash. Starfleet would be stuck with the Nicolas Meyer mindset from post Into Darkness, and no speech about being explorers, and nice guys would change that. Because in the end, Marcus was right. He just went about everything the completely wrong way. Well you know what they say about good intentions right?

Anyhoo, I just wanted to get that off my chest.

Also, tl;dr? Adm Marcus was right, Starfleet will be militarized well into the 24th century. No more rubber duckie's of a starship.
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Old July 30 2014, 06:27 AM   #78
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Makes sense to me
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Old July 31 2014, 01:45 AM   #79
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Alright I did this work yesterday but I did, some changes. Looking for feedback to improve her in the modeling section before I go into texturing.



Subtle change here is that I thickened the buzzard collector cover. It felt to flimsy to me.



A Close Up of the deflector dish.



Changed some stuff in the back specifically the pattern on the bottom, next will be the upper shuttle bay area.



This is just a classic TMP reveal front view.

So...yeah. That's all I got for now. Seriously, to any of the veteran starship modelers, or those of you have really good taste, which is pretty much all of you that's why I like posting here. Please critique via PM or on the thread.

Cheers, CJ.
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Old July 31 2014, 02:10 AM   #80
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Such a awesome Design wish it could 3D Printed
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Old July 31 2014, 04:21 AM   #81
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Lovely work.

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Old July 31 2014, 07:16 AM   #82
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The D seemed to be on the verge of destruction after even a single disruptor blast. Maybe a "militarized" Starfleet isn't a bad thing. Then again, ships are only as tough as the writers want them to be, so eh.

As an aside, I never thought Starfleet was "non-military" until about mid-24th century with Picard and them. To be honest, I found it to be a thing of arrogance that Picard believed Starfleet was an institution of pure exploration. It took Q shoving them into the Delta Quadrant to realize that Starfleet had become complacent and stagnant. Then again, Gene Roddenberry kinda went into full hippie mode with TNG.
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Old July 31 2014, 02:36 PM   #83
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Very cool ship. Looking forward to seeing it when it's done.
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Old August 2 2014, 03:45 PM   #84
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My only critique...love it. This is a very cool and original design. I've been enjoying following your progress.
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Old August 2 2014, 09:39 PM   #85
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The dual saucer support pylons would look interesting as nacelle support structures on a more conventional connie ship--aft firing torps, docking port, etc.
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Old August 2 2014, 11:35 PM   #86
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The D seemed to be on the verge of destruction after even a single disruptor blast. Maybe a "militarized" Starfleet isn't a bad thing. Then again, ships are only as tough as the writers want them to be, so eh.

As an aside, I never thought Starfleet was "non-military" until about mid-24th century with Picard and them. To be honest, I found it to be a thing of arrogance that Picard believed Starfleet was an institution of pure exploration. It took Q shoving them into the Delta Quadrant to realize that Starfleet had become complacent and stagnant. Then again, Gene Roddenberry kinda went into full hippie mode with TNG.
Aye. That is true, While I did like TNG as a kid/teen, even now. I now feel that Starfleet got really arrogant in the first couple of seasons of TNG.

The way I see Starfleet should be is exactly like Adm. Markus says it, "Starfleet's approach has always been to extend a hand of greeting and friendship to whoever we encounter - while keeping a fully charged phaser ready in our back pocket."

Sometimes the writers realize this, and we get classics, like The WoK, TUC, FC, Ds9's Dominion Arc. Honestly my favorite Trek is the stuff done by Nicolas Meyer. Either hoo moving on.

The dual saucer support pylons would look interesting as nacelle support structures on a more conventional connie ship--aft firing torps, docking port, etc.
OOOOOOOOOooooo. I like that idea. I'll credit you if I tackle the Connie refit. Speaking of which.

For my next project, I was thinking of:
  1. A Revamped Galaxy Glass
  2. JJ Excelsior. With design undertones of a Space Carrier.
  3. JJ Refit Connie
  4. Something from the prime Universe. Either Lost era, or post STO. No Temporal Cold War bollocks.
  5. John Harriman. You know, The other guy who got kirk killed off in Generations. In a slightly cartoon style.

SO tell me what you think on that. I'm not putting up a poll or anything, just comment or PM, preferably PM since I get it sent to my email and I don't check this thread often enough.

Anyhoo I don't usually post with out pics.... So with further ado. 'Ere we go!













I think she'll be getting a bit more work till I'm ready to texture.
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Old August 3 2014, 09:34 AM   #87
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This ship is awesome.

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Old August 5 2014, 03:08 AM   #88
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Just doing some texturing and shading tests. Definitely not final









Enjoy
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Old August 5 2014, 12:25 PM   #89
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Oh, she´s a beauty!
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Old August 5 2014, 04:39 PM   #90
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Beauty indeed
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