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Old July 26 2014, 06:25 AM   #31
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Re: The Enterprise Incident-Who did Kirk piss off to get that job??

Perhaps Romulan intelligence has failed them one too many time about Starfleet technology. Though it is similar to 22nd century tech in shape and size.

One would assume that Starfleet Intelligence aimed Kirk for the proper Klingon designed ships to get the confirmation they needed, plus the new cloaking device.
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Old July 26 2014, 06:49 AM   #32
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It's a gunslinger era.

They send the Enterprise for the same reason Kirk goes on away missions: You send your best man for the toughest jobs. You don't send your first officer on away missions just like you don't start your football team with your backup QB in the superbowl. This is the show, baby. Send in the big guns.
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Old July 26 2014, 06:54 AM   #33
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It's to remind every one that Shatner, not Nimoy, is the star.
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Old July 26 2014, 05:34 PM   #34
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It's a gunslinger era.

They send the Enterprise for the same reason Kirk goes on away missions: You send your best man for the toughest jobs. You don't send your first officer on away missions just like you don't start your football team with your backup QB in the superbowl. This is the show, baby. Send in the big guns.
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Old July 26 2014, 07:09 PM   #35
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First you have to assume the Romulans don't just start blasting away as seen in The Deadly Years.
As Kirk himself noted, they wanted to take the Enterprise intact. After besting them twice at that point, having that particular ship as a war trophy would be an invaluable salve on wounded Romulan pride. Plus, as Scott said, they would then know everything there was to know about Federation starships.

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Then, having only Kirk and Spock in the know is extremely dangerous. Scotty could have fouled the whole thing up by staging a rescue mission had the Romulans just held onto Spock and Kirk or kept them separate.
From the James Blish novelization:
"Kirk had worked out no way of making so suicidal a move on his part (going into the Neutral Zone) explicable except that of becoming irritable and snappish, as though his judgment had been worn down by fatigue. It was a bad solution. His officers were the best in Starfleet; sooner or later they would penetrate the deception, and conclude that whenever Kirk appeared to be worn down to the point of irrationality, he was operating under sealed orders.
And when the day came when he actually was too tired to know what he was doing, they would obey him blindly anyhow--and scratch one starship."

No doubt Scott had figured it out by the time Kirk gave this order: "If we do not return, the Enterprise must not be taken. If the Romulans attempt it, you're to fight, and if necessary, destroy yourselves. Is that clear?" Any rescue attempt would have ended in that fatal fight, and Scott knew it.

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Just watched this again. I still don't understand why Spock's communicator wasn't confiscated the moment he arrived on the Romulan ship, which conveniently allowed him to later contact Kirk, who for all he knew, was still on the Enterprise.
Romulan overconfidence. Communicators aren't weapons. Any attempt to escape would, again, lead to a three-on-one fight the Enterprise was unlikely to win.

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It's to remind every one that Shatner, not Nimoy, is the star.
Yet who gets the whole Sean Connery From Russia with Love plotline while Shatner skulks about corridors?
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Old July 26 2014, 07:42 PM   #36
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As for the Romulans being there to give the Federation starship a warm welcome without delay, the same thing happens in "The Deadly Years". Obviously, Worf is speaking the literal truth when accusing Romulans of being honorless bastards through and through - they blatantly ignore the Neutral Zone rules and keep ships positioned in there, shadowing any UFP assets close to the Zone. Sometimes they wait until the prey enters the Zone (because some Feds are honorless bastards, too), but sometimes they don't - see "The Practical Joker".

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Old July 26 2014, 10:24 PM   #37
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And The Way to Eden.

Also FWIW, The Enterprise Incident takes place in Romulan space.
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Old July 26 2014, 11:27 PM   #38
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How come 3 ships were at the exact location that the Enterprise crossed the Neutral Zone?
Because the intent was for the Enterprise to get caught.

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Old July 28 2014, 06:16 PM   #39
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Just watched this again. I still don't understand why Spock's communicator wasn't confiscated the moment he arrived on the Romulan ship, which conveniently allowed him to later contact Kirk, who for all he knew, was still on the Enterprise.
I do. It was the third year.
But still one of the season's best.
Arguably Kirky and Spock are actually in less danger and more control than most other episodes here. We just don't realize this until Act Three.
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Old July 29 2014, 09:35 PM   #40
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It's a gunslinger era.

They send the Enterprise for the same reason Kirk goes on away missions: You send your best man for the toughest jobs.
Yup, the OP is looking at the wrong direction. Starfleet command especially chose Kirk and Spock to avoid it turns into a suicide mission. Otherwise, the mission could have cost 800 lifes and caused a lot of political problems.
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Old July 29 2014, 10:05 PM   #41
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Just watched this again. I still don't understand why Spock's communicator wasn't confiscated the moment he arrived on the Romulan ship, which conveniently allowed him to later contact Kirk, who for all he knew, was still on the Enterprise.
I do. It was the third year.
But still one of the season's best.
Arguably Kirky and Spock are actually in less danger and more control than most other episodes here. We just don't realize this until Act Three.
I used to be really down on the episode because basically, our 'heroes' violated treaty, committed espionage, some serious theft, got a Romulan commander probably executed...and also probably set back women's rights in the Romulan Empire centuries.

But it is very well done. The 'love scenes' drag a bit, but overall quite enjoyable. The HD version even more so with the new FX.
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Old July 30 2014, 12:35 AM   #42
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I used to be really down on the episode because basically, our 'heroes' violated treaty, committed espionage, some serious theft, got a Romulan commander probably executed...and also probably set back women's rights in the Romulan Empire centuries.



Sure they did...
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Old July 30 2014, 04:54 PM   #43
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I'll let you know I just watched "Starship Troopers" entirely just because of this picture
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Old July 30 2014, 08:27 PM   #44
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I used to be really down on the episode because basically, our 'heroes' violated treaty, committed espionage, some serious theft, got a Romulan commander probably executed...and also probably set back women's rights in the Romulan Empire centuries.



Sure they did...
You forgot Sela. The Romulan empire is not only less sexist, they're less paranoid about 'enemy aliens' serving. (See Simon Tarses)
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Old July 31 2014, 12:46 AM   #45
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You mean Stefan DeSeve? Because Tarses's grandfather was perhaps someone who escaped the Empire.
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