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The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

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Old July 30 2014, 10:34 AM   #46
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Re: Picard's age:

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The question is, original Leah or holo-Leah?
I'd love for it to be the holo-version, just for the scifi touch.

But they have kids.
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Old July 30 2014, 10:40 AM   #47
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So does the EMH, in the "Blink of an Eye" storyline...

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Old July 30 2014, 10:44 AM   #48
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Hmm...fair enough, I guess.
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Old July 30 2014, 10:54 AM   #49
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It has to do with TNG's origins. I consider 2 factors of relevance:

1) They were recycling Phase II.

In the early 70s DC Fontana said it was tactically "wrong" that the Captain would beam to dangerous planets, risking his life and leaving the ship without her commanding officer, like Kirk always did. So they created Decker (also because Shatner's salary, they weren't sure if they'd afford to keep him as the star of the show).

For TNG Decker became Riker. The captain (not Admiral Kirk) had to be older if only to justify Riker being the default character to beam into the action outside the ship.

2) in Roddenberry's future people live longer and retire older. So he made Picard older than Kirk yet still Starship Captain to signify that. Also he included Adm. McCoy in the pilot for the same reason.
To further your #1 point, the more seasoned, middle-aged Kirk intended for Phase II also morphed into Picard, as the backstories are roughly similar, e.g. becoming a captain at a much younger age, being more reckless as a youth...
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Old July 30 2014, 11:00 AM   #50
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In Roddenberry's future people live longer and retire older. So he made Picard older than Kirk yet still Starship Captain to signify that.
...This is also nicely in line with TAS "The Counter-Clock Incident", where mandatory retirement at 75 is a rule that is going to be reevaluated when a famous skipper feels young and wants another try at starship command. (Not that being in line with said episode would be much of a merit, though.)

Also, Admiral Jameison in "Too Short a Season" thinks he would be commanding starships if not for his exotic ailment - at 80+.

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Old July 30 2014, 02:39 PM   #51
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I think it's obviously Leah Brahms.
But Leah Brahms was married. So she must have divorced or become a widow in the meantime.
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Old July 30 2014, 03:29 PM   #52
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I think it's obviously Leah Brahms.
But Leah Brahms was married. So she must have divorced or become a widow in the meantime.
You're not suggesting Geordi murdered her husband, made it appear to be an accident, and then manipulated her emotionally during her grieving process to "get" her are you?
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Old July 30 2014, 05:40 PM   #53
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Kobayshi Maru wrote: View Post
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I think it's obviously Leah Brahms.
But Leah Brahms was married. So she must have divorced or become a widow in the meantime.
Pulkasi divorced three times, so it's clearly not a problem in the 24th century.
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Old July 30 2014, 06:02 PM   #54
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It is also possible her husband was killed during the Dominon War.
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Old July 30 2014, 06:54 PM   #55
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Or that she has two or more husbands. The issue of polygamy hasn't actually been commented on by our characters so far; jealousy certainly still exists, but that's not directly related to whether polygamy would be okay or no-no. And we have less than conclusive data on what sort of religions our heroes would follow, if any, and how these would affect the issue of having a significant other referred to as "wife", of being "married", etc.

Regarding Data's Lucasian, I don't think there's explicit wording there today to preclude military officers in active service from holding said Chair. It's not even a full-time job as such, although most would naturally have side jobs relating closely to the subject matter of the Chair, and being a Starfleet officer probably doesn't qualify even in the 24th century. Data certainly seems like he could handle multiple simultaneous careers...

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Old July 30 2014, 08:02 PM   #56
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In TNG's "All Good Things..." both Data & Worf have left Starfleet, & I think maybe Geordi too
I don't think it was really said. Worf definitely left.

Did Data leave Starfleet, or was he simply doing another job at Starfleet Academy?

As for Geordi, I don't think it really said. Did they mention his job at all? Was he retired?
Data held the Lucasian Chair in Cambridge. I don't think that even in the 24th century, a position that prestigious would have been "absorbed" by starfleet (although he still could technically be in Starfleet's service, I suppose).

As for Geordi, Picard says the following line:

"Well now that you're here, you can help me carry those tools. Well, my cooking may not be up to Leah's standards, but I can still make a decent cup of tea. Oh, I read your last novel. I thought that the protagonist a little too flamboyant, but for the rest I ..." (then he sees those people taunting him)

Which implies that Geordi became a novelist (but perhaps not a full-time one).
Beverly does say to Geordi and Data; "I never thought I'd see either of you on a starship again!" Certainly the implication is that they've both left Starfleet altogether.

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We don't know if the Stargazer was the first starship he was assign too, or if it was another starship, or what class it was?
We do. In "Relics", Picard is specific that the Stargazer was the first ship he served on.
What he said was; "The first vessel I ever served on as captain was called the Stargazer."
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Old July 30 2014, 09:41 PM   #57
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I think it's obviously Leah Brahms.
But Leah Brahms was married. So she must have divorced or become a widow in the meantime.
You're not suggesting Geordi murdered her husband, made it appear to be an accident, and then manipulated her emotionally during her grieving process to "get" her are you?
Geordi is too much a loser to do that. But I totally see him holodecking that story.
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Old July 30 2014, 09:54 PM   #58
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I think it's obviously Leah Brahms.
But Leah Brahms was married. So she must have divorced or become a widow in the meantime.
You're not suggesting Geordi murdered her husband, made it appear to be an accident, and then manipulated her emotionally during her grieving process to "get" her are you?
Maybe the Geordi in the mirror universe did just that. Too bad there was no interactions with that universe during the TNG era, so we'll never know. In DS9 I think there was like five mirror universe episodes, if not six.

There was a custom, each time they paid a visit to the universe, a ferengi was killed. First Quark, then Rom, Nog, and at last Brunt. Plus one episode where Vedek Bareil's duplicate paid us a visit.
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Old July 30 2014, 10:29 PM   #59
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What he said was; "The first vessel I ever served on as captain was called the Stargazer."
Ah, you're right; blindly relying on transcripts doesn't pay, it seems. (Unless they are from the great "Chrissie's" site, which was down when I checked.)

To make that distinction would not be particularly logical unless Picard wanted to make clear that he had served aboard other ships in the previous stages of his career...

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Old July 31 2014, 05:06 AM   #60
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What he said was; "The first vessel I ever served on as captain was called the Stargazer."
Ah, you're right; blindly relying on transcripts doesn't pay, it seems. (Unless they are from the great "Chrissie's" site, which was down when I checked.)

To make that distinction would not be particularly logical unless Picard wanted to make clear that he had served aboard other ships in the previous stages of his career...

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I haven't seen it myself, but apparently the extended version of "The Measure of a Man" says that Picard served aboard a USS Reliant as an ensign.
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