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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old July 30 2014, 05:08 PM   #1
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Caithlin Dar

Even back in the day, I remember thinking this character was weak. The amateurish acting didn't help.

Does anyone disagree with me here? Anyone thought she was a convincing Romulan.

A more revealing outfit, such as the ones Bill Theiss used on the old show, might've made the character more palatable.

I remember having a sinking feeling when this character was introduced, making me feel like the movie was going to be below par.
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Old July 30 2014, 05:13 PM   #2
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Was she the woman who was blown up in The Search For Spock? She did seem a lot less ruthless & strong as established Romulans.
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Old July 30 2014, 05:15 PM   #3
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No, Caithlin Dar was the one from Star Trek V.
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Old July 30 2014, 05:16 PM   #4
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Ohhhhhh yeah I know who you mean. I'd say the same actually, she seemed quite weak & transferable but then, well… she is in TFF!

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Old July 30 2014, 05:34 PM   #5
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Re: Caithlin Dar

The actress - Cynthia Gouw (?) - is or was a newscaster here in the Bay Area. I also saw her briefly on a fictional court or police drama years back.

She's not a groundbreaking actress, but she made a pretty Romulan ambassador and did okay with the material. (And, uh, a Bill Theiss outfit wouldn't have hurt...)

Sidenote: David Warner was pretty wasted - pun not intended - as the Earth ambassador...but, at least he was able to return for the next film in a meatier role.
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Old July 30 2014, 05:53 PM   #6
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Re: Caithlin Dar

Her romulaness (or romulanity?) was underdeveloped, but she didn't had so much screentime for that...well they could have keep the money of the three-breasted feline stripper to make her more Romulan...

She wasn't there to be Romulan, but to be the young and naive woman who didn't realize she volunteered for a job into a galactic trash. Talbot was there to show how much this is a galactic trash.
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Old July 30 2014, 06:06 PM   #7
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None of the ambassadors were utilized at all, save for Koord growing some balls at the end of the movie, but even that was pretty meh. Only the fact that the Fed ambassador was played by David Warner gave them any sort of redeeming qualities.

As for Caithlin Dar, it sounds like her lines were dubbed. Why? Who the hell knows.
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Old July 30 2014, 06:24 PM   #8
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Awful, awful awful.

First they thought it would be cool to give her a human first name "Caithlin"----the novel tried to explain it.

Then they hired a non actor to save money and then they found she couldn't act and cut the scene down by 80% to save embarrassment.
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Old July 30 2014, 06:25 PM   #9
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Was she the woman who was blown up in The Search For Spock? She did seem a lot less ruthless & strong as established Romulans.
You're thinking of Valkris, played by Cathy Shirriff, previously a co-host on the first season of "Ripley's Believe it Or Not". Her last TV role was as Olga in the telemovie whodunnit, "Murder in Space".

Valkris was a Klingon, although the comic adaptation gave her pointed ears.

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Old July 31 2014, 12:26 AM   #10
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None of the ambassadors were utilized at all, save for Koord growing some balls at the end of the movie, but even that was pretty meh. Only the fact that the Fed ambassador was played by David Warner gave them any sort of redeeming qualities.
I think Roger Ebert's review pointed out, the Ambassadors get introduced to the story as if they're going to be major characters, but then they barely appear. I suppose that in principle this might be a good bit of misdirection, since it means the audience is fooled about what narrative role the characters serve, but the fact they were only important to their own lives needed to be folded into the story better.

Still, obviously, the Ambassadors made rather an impression since I think everyone wants to know a little more about them.
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Old July 31 2014, 12:29 AM   #11
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Caithlin Dar was the least of STAR TREK V's problems. The actress gave the drivel she was given to regurgitate more passion than the part could ever demand of an actress - and was quite fetching, as well.
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Old July 31 2014, 12:32 AM   #12
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She made a gorgeous Romulan woman.
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Old July 31 2014, 12:41 AM   #13
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My own idea was that Nimbus III was such an unimportant an assignment that the Romulans definitely weren't going to send their best ambassador there. IMO, Dar was appointed as an ambassador more because of her looks rather than any diplomatic skills she possessed; she was eye-candy to placate the Federation and Klingon ambassadors there.
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Old July 31 2014, 01:23 AM   #14
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I thought she was super hot back then (I was 14), and even now I still think she's more interesting with more story potential than all of the bowl cut Romulans (aside from Sela, Tomalak, and Alidar Jarok) from TNG put together.
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Old July 31 2014, 01:40 AM   #15
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I've often wondered if she was supposed to be half human. Anyway, she had three lines and did fine with them.

I agree that he ambassadors should have been used more, perhaps even the centerpiece of the story. Like Sybok takes them all hostage and Kirk has to work together with the Klingons and Romies to free them.

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She made a gorgeous Romulan woman.
You should give it a go.
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