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Old July 27 2014, 11:42 PM   #1126
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For a similarly inspired scene but intended to be realistic I suggest the final scene from "The Quiet Earth".
Thank you for that... I was trying to place where I'd seen something similar before. I adore that final scene in The Quiet Earth... so haunting and beautiful, even some 30 years later.
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Old July 28 2014, 12:39 AM   #1127
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Not exactly realistic looking.
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Old July 29 2014, 12:45 AM   #1128
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But haunting and lovely, nonetheless.
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Old July 29 2014, 06:46 AM   #1129
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For a similarly inspired scene but intended to be realistic I suggest the final scene from "The Quiet Earth".
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But haunting and lovely, nonetheless.
My response about realism was to Fred. There's nothing realistic about that shot. Hell, the lighting on the beach and that on the planet doesn't even match.
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Old July 29 2014, 09:46 PM   #1130
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Beauty and realism... wonderful!
My wife once was a beauty, now she's a realist!

I love the galaxy shot!
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Old July 29 2014, 09:54 PM   #1131
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But haunting and lovely, nonetheless.
Agreed, I like it.
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Old July 30 2014, 01:54 AM   #1132
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I happen to like the aforementioned Quiet Earth shot, but it proves that we don't need to be "realistic".
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Old July 30 2014, 02:13 AM   #1133
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Err, the whole thing is nice and I love the look of the lander, but that Galaxy? It was my wallpaper on OSX Lion for about a year and a half. I'd say using such a well known image (at least in its current form with no alterations) is very distracting.

EDIT: Ok, its not the exact same photo - but still, the thought crossed my mind "Hey! Thats my old desktop wallpaper!". Maybe its just me? I dunno, but that took me out of the shot. If its gonna be corrected further to match the sky then maybe it won't be much of an issue.
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Old July 30 2014, 03:12 AM   #1134
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To me, I believe you are striving for a 50/60ish vibe to the production. Now, if this was produced in the 50's, I think the galaxy in the night sky would be a conceit in the script. The write imagining a distant planet with a full view of a galaxy. I can see that put into a script from the 50's.
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Old July 30 2014, 03:44 AM   #1135
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Err, the whole thing is nice and I love the look of the lander, but that Galaxy? It was my wallpaper on OSX Lion for about a year and a half. I'd say using such a well known image (at least in its current form with no alterations) is very distracting.

EDIT: Ok, its not the exact same photo - but still, the thought crossed my mind "Hey! Thats my old desktop wallpaper!". Maybe its just me? I dunno, but that took me out of the shot. If its gonna be corrected further to match the sky then maybe it won't be much of an issue.
DEAD LINK.

Anyway, the issue with posting things like this in isolation is that people pick them apart because they're not seeing them in the context of the film (I've been guilty of same); when you see it as part of a sequence of shots you're not as focused on the imperfections of each.

BTW, this planet is in the galactic halo outside the spiral arms, hence the viewing angle.
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Old July 30 2014, 12:49 PM   #1136
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Err, the whole thing is nice and I love the look of the lander, but that Galaxy? It was my wallpaper on OSX Lion for about a year and a half. I'd say using such a well known image (at least in its current form with no alterations) is very distracting.

EDIT: Ok, its not the exact same photo - but still, the thought crossed my mind "Hey! Thats my old desktop wallpaper!". Maybe its just me? I dunno, but that took me out of the shot. If its gonna be corrected further to match the sky then maybe it won't be much of an issue.
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Anyway, the issue with posting things like this in isolation is that people pick them apart because they're not seeing them in the context of the film (I've been guilty of same); when you see it as part of a sequence of shots you're not as focused on the imperfections of each.

BTW, this planet is in the galactic halo outside the spiral arms, hence the viewing angle.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Ma...=2560&bih=1265

Well it should be the first image there. You're right - its one tiny piece of the finished product, but its just something that really stuck out for me.
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Old August 2 2014, 04:21 AM   #1137
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Hell, the lighting on the beach and that on the planet doesn't even match.
I disagree. Look at the rising ringed planet. The light source (presumeably a sun) for that planet is below the horizon to the right of the frame. The light source for the beach is reflected light from the rising ringed planet. Note that the man's back, toward the camera is not lit. Oddly enough we see some light around his feet 2 - 3 times as he walks.

I don't know if the ball of light that we see before tilting down to him is supposed to be a sun or still part of the 'effect', like the red dot, that changed his reality.

The cloud things though -- not sure what they are all about. I didn't even remember them from the movie. I wonder if they were added to a later release.

I will grant you that it is a bit dated now.

Anyhow, back to Polaris, what gives the galaxy image away, even if the scene were at night, is that there is no detail in the brighter parts. Those were saturated in the exposure when the image was taken, but detail there should be visible to the eye (and therefore to our audience). That and the oversized images of the brighter stars.

This happens a lot when painters paint an image from a photo. They often leave the most spectacular features blank because they are saturated in the photo.

The Polaris shot is a great idea. I just don't know how to fix it to make it look more real and less like a matte.

Then again, Dennis may be happy with it looking like a matte.

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Old August 2 2014, 04:24 AM   #1138
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... The write imagining a distant planet with a full view of a galaxy. I can see that put into a script from the 50's.
And that is a fair point.
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Old August 2 2014, 04:27 AM   #1139
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Anyway, the issue with posting things like this in isolation is that people pick them apart because they're not seeing them in the context of the film
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BTW, this planet is in the galactic halo outside the spiral arms, hence the viewing angle.
Yes. First time I saw it I thought it was great. Then I went back to look at it in more detail.

Most people couldn't do that in movies or on TV in the 1950s.
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Old August 2 2014, 07:12 AM   #1140
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Hell, the lighting on the beach and that on the planet doesn't even match.
I disagree. Look at the rising ringed planet. The light source (presumeably a sun) for that planet is below the horizon to the right of the frame. The light source for the beach is reflected light from the rising ringed planet. Note that the man's back, toward the camera is not lit. Oddly enough we see some light around his feet 2 - 3 times as he walks.
You can see the reflection of the real sun on the wet sand at frame center, which puts it actually overhead. The planet is lit from slightly above roughly center frame left, otherwise its shadow would intersect the very top of the sphere. I think the lighting on the clouds matches the planet fine. To my eye the lighting on the foreground and the sun reflection are what don't match. YMMV
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