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Old July 29 2014, 01:25 AM   #1
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Biocentrism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biocentric_universe

I'm not going to go into all the details of it, and I'm not really sure if I'm a believer, There are alot of theories coming out now about space and time being not so linear, etc., etc......

I'm wondering if anyone else is familiar with this concept, basically that the only constant in our universe is our consciousness, I think that's what it is alluding to anyway....

If this theory holds true, than "I" and the only "person" that exists, and all of "you" are constructs I created for me to interact with? then it would stand to reason I made all this up (Including Biocentrism). Or is my consciousness jumping from pre made world to pre made world, as if I'm on some sort of ultimate netflix binge? If I were to jump off a bridge tomorrow (I'm not going to) basically "turning off the movie" as it were, I'd simply select another one and start from there? Whats the point really if thats the case? Am I some sort of "Q" giving myself amnesia just for kicks because I'm bored with eternity? even though there really is no such thing according to this theory....anyway, thought it was interesting in it's own way and hoped to start a discussion on it
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Old July 29 2014, 02:11 AM   #2
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Sounds like a new term for the anthropic principle, which even THE MELANCHOLY OF HARUHI SUZUMIYA didn't give much weight.

"I think, therefore I am" is cotton candy philosophy. "I am, therefore I think" is science.

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Old July 29 2014, 05:07 AM   #3
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You actually can't want to start a discussion on it because you don't really exist. You're just something I made up in my head to keep me entertained. Thus, you're not really able to have the thoughts you think you thought because you don't have either a consciousness or a body, despite your thinking that you think you do, which isn't possible for a non-existent entity.

Also, the theories coming out about space and time being non-linear? Those started coming out about the same time that rumors were circulating that two bicycle makers from Ohio had built a heavier-than-air flying machine.
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Old July 29 2014, 09:41 AM   #4
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Dance for me, boy, I say dance.
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Old July 29 2014, 12:23 PM   #5
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Solipsism is such a lonely word.
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Old July 29 2014, 02:16 PM   #6
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Re: Biocentrism

Yeah, don't believe it.

How can the guy make a statement about the differences to a universe without life if he has no such universe to compare ours to?

The whole notion of quantum states requiring an observer to collapse a wave function seems also wholly misunderstood.
Many people believe that an "observer" has to be a concious entity for the wave function to collaps.
I don't understand the theory nearly in full, but I'm pretty sure that's not what it says.

How can a universe like ours only exist with a concious mind in it? How did it get to the state it is in before life could possibly have developed?
And not just life but concious life. Bacteria or simple cell organisms certainly can't reflect about the existance of the universe.

The fine tuning argument? Really?
Ok, so what? If the universe was slightly different to allow for a different kind of life that life would now marvel at how fine tuned their universe is for life!
Anyone remember the story about the puddle of water wondering how astonishing it is that the hole in the ground it's occupying, so perfectly matches it's shape?


When the article mentioned Deepak Chopra, it lost all credibility.

So, absolute BOLLOCKS! in my book.
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Old July 29 2014, 02:47 PM   #7
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Re: Biocentrism

Delayed choice/superposition/wave function collapse is really just a way of thinking about probabilities, since quantum mechanics are heavily probabilistic. The idea that a conscious being induces the final state of a particle by observing it is ludicrous. In reality, its final state was always thus, but we lack the tools to calculate it in advance--we can only determine the probability that its state was one way or another, until we confirm it directly with observation.
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Old July 29 2014, 02:48 PM   #8
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Re: Biocentrism

Metryq wrote: View Post
Sounds like a new term for the anthropic principle, which even THE MELANCHOLY OF HARUHI SUZUMIYA didn't give much weight.

"I think, therefore I am" is cotton candy philosophy. "I am, therefore I think" is science.

(I love that alias, by the way.)
True, the "real universe" existed until she became tired of it and wiped it away replacing it with one that suited her better. But everyone created by her still had free will and acted as independently of her existance as the old ones.
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Old July 29 2014, 03:09 PM   #9
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Sounds like a new term for the anthropic principle, which even THE MELANCHOLY OF HARUHI SUZUMIYA didn't give much weight.

"I think, therefore I am" is cotton candy philosophy. "I am, therefore I think" is science.

(I love that alias, by the way.)
True, the "real universe" existed until she became tired of it and wiped it away replacing it with one that suited her better. But everyone created by her still had free will and acted as independently of her existance as the old ones.
If you want to take the story literally, I think Kyon (whose real name we do not know) was god first. Consider his opening monologue. He wanted aliens, time travelers, etc. but then grew out of it. "Creating" Haruhi gave him a way to have those things.

Meanwhile, Haruhi "chose" Kyon because that's what he wanted. The story is an allegory for falling in love—something that makes one feel like the center of the universe, someone special. (Think of the opening title where a hand reaches down and pulls Haruhi up into the light.) Haruhi overtly dangled Mikuru in front of Kyon so that she'd feel even better when he chose Haruhi.

All the "letting sleeping gods lie" and closed spaces were dramatic distractions.
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Old July 30 2014, 04:53 AM   #10
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Re: Biocentrism

"When the article mentioned Deepak Chopra, it lost all credibility"

I don't know much about Deepak Chopra....
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Old July 30 2014, 05:02 AM   #11
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I am biological, therefore biology is the driving force of the universe.

I'm objective.
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Old July 30 2014, 07:11 AM   #12
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I am biological...
Nomad just blitzed you out of existence before that thought could be completed.
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Old July 30 2014, 02:03 PM   #13
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Re: Biocentrism

Tribble puncher wrote: View Post
"When the article mentioned Deepak Chopra, it lost all credibility"

I don't know much about Deepak Chopra....
He's a woo-peddling crank. That's all you need to know.
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Old August 1 2014, 03:22 PM   #14
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"When the article mentioned Deepak Chopra, it lost all credibility"

I don't know much about Deepak Chopra....
He's a woo-peddling crank. That's all you need to know.
Yeah...looked him up....both he and Lanza seem to reference the double slit experiment to suggest that electrons or photons revert to a waveform state unless they are observed and then they collapse into a particle form (this is very laymans terms obviously), basically suggesting that our consciousness forces these wave forms to collapse into matter (or something like that)........

Also, it looks like he is suggesting that when you die you merely "jump" to another multiverse where another you still exists, to the "you" you just jumped into, it would feel like you had a really crazy dream where you died or whatever, and all the details of your current life would start to emerege, I'm guessing he means you'd remember....this seems like a horrible Idea honestly, and some sort of pipe dream to pander to people who wish they could go back and change things
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Old August 2 2014, 09:06 PM   #15
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Steven Jay Gould turned Descartes' saying on its head
I am, therefore I think. Evolution first.
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