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Old July 20 2014, 12:18 PM   #181
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I thought Kalinda was bald?
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Old July 20 2014, 03:39 PM   #182
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^I think it's just Si Cwan who was bald. I vaguely remember something about blonde hair and red skin for Kalinda..
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Old July 20 2014, 09:36 PM   #183
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure Kalinda has hair. I'm don't really like that picture for her, it's just not how I pictured her.
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Old July 20 2014, 09:59 PM   #184
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You guys might have touched on this already--but wasn't there a mile long starship in a novel called a Defender class?

Vengeance looks pretty close to that in size...

Maybe it was the Yamato battleship (not the Galaxy class ship that came apart in TNG)
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Old July 20 2014, 10:20 PM   #185
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^I think it's just Si Cwan who was bald. I vaguely remember something about blonde hair and red skin for Kalinda..
Ah, ok. I was sure I'd read that she was bald. But I guess not.
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You guys might have touched on this already--but wasn't there a mile long starship in a novel called a Defender class?

Vengeance looks pretty close to that in size...

Maybe it was the Yamato battleship (not the Galaxy class ship that came apart in TNG)
Here's the description of the Defender/Destroyer-class, from "My Enemy, My Ally", page 45:
Inaieu, as one of the destroyer-class starships, had been built large; built to carry a lot of people on very long hauls, and built to carry more power and armament than any three starships - just in case. Her upper-hull disk was three times the size of the Enterprise's; her engine nacelles twice as long, and there were four of them - one above, two on the sides, one below. Her central engineering hull was a quarter-mile in diameter, and a mile long. Having been built at the Starfleet shipyards on Deneb, she flew under Denebian registry and had been named for the old High King of Deneb V who, as the song said, "rose up and smote her enemies."
I once tried making an outline based upon this description (and a 289m Enterprise) but it looked a bit silly, a massive hull and a tiny saucer and nacelles. I think Duane imagined larger Enterprise components when she wrote that.
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Old July 26 2014, 07:14 PM   #186
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Cross Cult has posted a couple of new S.C.E. cover drafts over the last few days:

The riddled Post by Aaron Rosenberg:


Here there be Monsters (Achtung, Monster) by Keith R.A. DeCandido:



Ambush by Dave Galanter and Greg Brodeur:

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Old July 26 2014, 08:10 PM   #187
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What's the reptile?

What're the alien ships?
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Old July 27 2014, 12:41 AM   #188
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I like those covers.
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Old July 27 2014, 06:08 AM   #189
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^"Specific profile" is overstating it a bit. It's basically just that narrow ships work better than wide ships. So something lean and sleek like the Intrepid class is intrinsically better suited than something broad like a Galaxy or Nebula.

Has this actually been said or are you just postulating?
The few instances we've seen slipstream in VOY's "Hope And Fear" and "Timeless", those slipstream corridors looked spherical in cross-section, not oval, and appeared small and best able to accommodate thinner ships a la Intrepid as opposed to wider ships such as Galaxy or Nebula. Someone better than computers than my own idiot self could probably toss up a few screencaps to demonstrate.
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Old July 27 2014, 06:16 AM   #190
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For those who are interested in Mark Rademaker's Voyager Refit, he posted this in the Voyager section of the forum....


http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?...3&postcount=17
That doesn't look like it's a quick upgrade at a space dock that could last a few weeks, it's looks like a refit in the same sense as the Refit Connie and would take Voyager out of commission for months, if not a year or so.
Considering the damage that was done to Voyager, a huge refit was needed. It wasn't completely clear how long it took in the novels, but consedering Chakotay went on his little voyage of discovery, Kim was out of commision in a hospital for months I believe, it's sort of possible.
My biggest issue is still, where did Starfleet get all the resources to launch a fleet like Full Circle so short after the Borg Invasion, especially the slipstream-drives fitted to these ships. Considering Voyager came home late 2377, I find it odd to believe that within a little over 4 years, Starfleet has outfitted atleast 10 ships with this drive, including the prototype USS Vesta. We are ment to believe that appereantly you need a speficic profile to maintian a slipstream corridor, and conviently, Starfleet had 5 classes of ships available already? The Vesta class, the Merian class, the Galen class, the Mulciber class and the Theophrastus class. Considering the timeframe needed for Starfleet to figure out that slipstream needs a specific profile, then designing, developing, building and testing 5 new classes specificly for that purprose AND refitting Voyager to do the same in such a short timeframe, seems unlikely.

I love Beyer's Voyager novels to death, they are fantastic. But that little tidbit is a bit hard for me to swallow.
IIRC, this was debated a few years back either here in Lit or over in Trek Tech. The general consensus, I believe, was that slipstream tech development was well underway when Voyager came home, and the Vesta and Meerian designs were the most modern ones that were well-suited for the new developments Voyager brought back from the DQ with her. Kristin Beyer or Mark Rademaker or Christopher Bennett might wish to chime in here.
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Old July 27 2014, 09:25 AM   #191
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That doesn't look like it's a quick upgrade at a space dock that could last a few weeks, it's looks like a refit in the same sense as the Refit Connie and would take Voyager out of commission for months, if not a year or so.
Considering the damage that was done to Voyager, a huge refit was needed. It wasn't completely clear how long it took in the novels, but consedering Chakotay went on his little voyage of discovery, Kim was out of commision in a hospital for months I believe, it's sort of possible.
My biggest issue is still, where did Starfleet get all the resources to launch a fleet like Full Circle so short after the Borg Invasion, especially the slipstream-drives fitted to these ships. Considering Voyager came home late 2377, I find it odd to believe that within a little over 4 years, Starfleet has outfitted atleast 10 ships with this drive, including the prototype USS Vesta. We are ment to believe that appereantly you need a speficic profile to maintian a slipstream corridor, and conviently, Starfleet had 5 classes of ships available already? The Vesta class, the Merian class, the Galen class, the Mulciber class and the Theophrastus class. Considering the timeframe needed for Starfleet to figure out that slipstream needs a specific profile, then designing, developing, building and testing 5 new classes specificly for that purprose AND refitting Voyager to do the same in such a short timeframe, seems unlikely.

I love Beyer's Voyager novels to death, they are fantastic. But that little tidbit is a bit hard for me to swallow.
IIRC, this was debated a few years back either here in Lit or over in Trek Tech. The general consensus, I believe, was that slipstream tech development was well underway when Voyager came home, and the Vesta and Meerian designs were the most modern ones that were well-suited for the new developments Voyager brought back from the DQ with her. Kristin Beyer or Mark Rademaker or Christopher Bennett might wish to chime in here.

That does make the most sense, yes. I could never believe that the Vesta was designed AFTER the discovery of slipstream. Even when Voyager send back a lot of information to Earth before they got back home, the timetable just doesn't add up. So the Vesta and Merian already being in development and just happen to fit the bill for slipstream, works for me.
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Old July 27 2014, 01:09 PM   #192
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As I recall, the Vesta class was initially established as a testbed for prototype technologies -- slipstream just being one.
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Old July 29 2014, 12:49 AM   #193
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Have seen any images of the Demeter or it's class? I was having trouble getting a clear mental image while I was reading Protectors.
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Old July 29 2014, 05:02 PM   #194
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Demeter has a Vulcan spaceframe but Starfleet aesthethics.

Rademaker posted a few sketches in the past, and its silhoutette is on one of the German VOY novel covers.
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Have seen any images of the Demeter or it's class? I was having trouble getting a clear mental image while I was reading Protectors.
You can also see it by typing in "USS Demeter" into google images. It shows up right away
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