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Old July 27 2014, 06:09 AM   #1
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Vengeance navigation system CLEARLY needs to go back to drawing board

I mean, seriously? Commander John Harrison gives a vocal command for the ship to take him to Starfleet Headquarters. "Confirmed?" the ship asks. "Confirmed," Harrison replies, and then the ship promptly crushes Alcatraz before demolishing half of San Francisco. Harrison didn't say "Set a collision course for Starfleet Headquarters," he said, "Destination: Starfleet Headquarters."

Good thing Admiral Marcus didn't set a course for New Vulcan, the damn ship would have crashed into it. I believe a formal inquiry should be held.

I jest, of course, but this is a serious oversight on the part of the Dreadnaught-class design team
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Old July 27 2014, 01:08 PM   #2
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Khan had cranked the voice command control lever past "mild suggestion", "regular command" and "urgent order" all the way to "take everything extremely literally"

I believe it's what the Enterprise computer was set on when Moriarty was created.
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Old July 27 2014, 01:56 PM   #3
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Re: Vengeance navigation system CLEARLY needs to go back to drawing bo

He then pushed the large black lever to "Ludicrous Speed"
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Old July 27 2014, 11:36 PM   #4
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Re: Vengeance navigation system CLEARLY needs to go back to drawing bo

It didn't take him where he wanted to go, it took him where he needed to go.
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Old July 28 2014, 12:22 AM   #5
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Re: Vengeance navigation system CLEARLY needs to go back to drawing bo

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I mean, seriously? Commander John Harrison gives a vocal command for the ship to take him to Starfleet Headquarters. "Confirmed?" the ship asks. "Confirmed," Harrison replies, and then the ship promptly crushes Alcatraz before demolishing half of San Francisco. Harrison didn't say "Set a collision course for Starfleet Headquarters," he said, "Destination: Starfleet Headquarters."

Good thing Admiral Marcus didn't set a course for New Vulcan, the damn ship would have crashed into it. I believe a formal inquiry should be held.

I jest, of course, but this is a serious oversight on the part of the Dreadnaught-class design team
Their first mistake was when they uploaded the consciousness of Michael Scott (AKA Section 31 Agent Michael Scarn) into the navigation system of the Vengeance.

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Old July 28 2014, 01:10 AM   #6
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I do believe the computer advises Khan Harrison that its nav settings are unreliable due to heavy damage, or something along those lines.

COMPUTER: Engines compromised! Cannot guarantee destination! Confirm order?
KHAN: Confirm!


But you're right...Khan did not order a collision course...unless the computer is very context sensitive. LOL!
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Old July 28 2014, 01:51 AM   #7
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Well, the beginning of the movie solidly confirms that big starships can soft-land on Class M planets, exactly where they want. So setting a certain city block as the destination would be perfectly valid as such...

Khan could be relying on the "soft-landing" part falling apart by the time the ship gets to SF HQ doorstep, or he could issue further orders when the camera follows the perils of our heroes. But really, what we do see is a soft landing by any standards, for something that massive falling all the way from the Moon. It's just not a very accurate soft landing.

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Old July 28 2014, 03:16 AM   #8
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Re: Vengeance navigation system CLEARLY needs to go back to drawing bo

As shown in the movie, the Vengeance was badly damaged with the nacelles smoking. I thought it was pretty clear that the Vengeance was trying to fly in a straight line per Khan's orders, but the failing engines caused it to sink down through the air.
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Old July 28 2014, 04:22 PM   #9
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I just realized a year later (lord, I feel so behind) that the movie is bookended by gigantic starships leaving one heck of an impression on a planet's population. Of course, one departed and one, um, landed.

After crashing and Khan jumps out, I'd like to think that that the Vengeance computer said, "You have arrived at your destination."
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Old July 29 2014, 12:26 AM   #10
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I just realized a year later (lord, I feel so behind) that the movie is bookended by gigantic starships leaving one heck of an impression on a planet's population. Of course, one departed and one, um, landed.

After crashing and Khan jumps out, I'd like to think that that the Vengeance computer said, "You have arrived at your destination."
Followed swiftly by "Our insurance agent will be in contact with you, shortly.".
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Old July 29 2014, 03:19 AM   #11
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It's a Star Destroyer
They aren't built for cornering and nimbleness
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Old July 29 2014, 03:53 AM   #12
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He then pushed the large black lever to "Ludicrous Speed"
They really did miss a trick not having a 'we brake for nobody' sticker on the VENGEANCE hull.

Or Sean Connery as the voice of the computer, informing HarriKhan as they hit town, "welcome to The Rock."
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Old July 29 2014, 05:03 AM   #13
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Cyke101 wrote: View Post
I just realized a year later (lord, I feel so behind) that the movie is bookended by gigantic starships leaving one heck of an impression on a planet's population. Of course, one departed and one, um, landed.

After crashing and Khan jumps out, I'd like to think that that the Vengeance computer said, "You have arrived at your destination."
Followed swiftly by "Our insurance agent will be in contact with you, shortly.".
Computer: "You just had an accident."

Khan: "I know I had an accident!"

With all do respect to the 5th Element
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Old July 29 2014, 08:29 AM   #14
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for something that massive falling all the way from the Moon.
"That Spaceship came from the Moon."
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Old July 29 2014, 09:35 AM   #15
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Cyke101 wrote: View Post
After crashing and Khan jumps out, I'd like to think that that the Vengeance computer said, "You have arrived at your destination."



By the way, the Vengeance computer voice was Bill Hader, of Saturday Night Live fame.
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