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View Poll Results: Rate Serpents in the Garden.
Outstanding 2 5.88%
Above Average 11 32.35%
Average 17 50.00%
Below Average 3 8.82%
Poor 1 2.94%
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Old June 13 2014, 04:43 PM   #46
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I just finished. Took me longer than most trek books to get through. Was kinda bored...but overall, the book was well written. I always appreciate non 5YM TOS books
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Old June 21 2014, 06:55 AM   #47
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Just posted my review. I was forced to vote average on this one. Not bad, but not a stand-out either. "Sufficiently entertaining."
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Old July 22 2014, 09:00 AM   #48
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Something I never understand about Kirk during this time period - so Kirk was in charge of Starfleet Operations for almost three years following his five year mission, seemingly in charge of ship and personnel deployments, yet it seems he never deployed any follow-up missions or observation teams to places like Neural, or Khan's colony in the Ceti Alpha system, to see how the people were faring after the Enterprise departed? Even in this novel, set in 2273, he waited two years as head of Starfleet Operations to send someone to check up on the Neural situation - obviously, a lot has happened that Starfleet is completely unaware of... why did it take Kirk almost two years in Starfleet operations to discover that no one had followed up on the situation on Neural?

The story is a great, fun read, and a great sequel to the episode, but I was just wondering if there was an in-universe explanation for Kirk's lack of follow-up on those situations, even when he was the head admiral of Starfleet Operations?
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Old July 22 2014, 01:12 PM   #49
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I imagine Starfleet had a whole bunch of operations that didn't involve the Enterprise and its missions. It may have just taken him that long to get around to dealing with those particular things... maybe?
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Old July 22 2014, 04:47 PM   #50
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I imagine Starfleet had a whole bunch of operations that didn't involve the Enterprise and its missions. It may have just taken him that long to get around to dealing with those particular things... maybe?
Of course, but you think Kirk would have prioritized the Neural situation once he was in charge of operations, considering the volatile situation he left, especially since he had personally armed one of the sides - escalation of war on that planet was a distinct possibility while he was gone. in my opinion, it was highly irresponsible and even negligent of Starfleet to not at least monitor the situation after the Klingon and Enterprise interference in the local situation, regardless of the Prime Directive, which had already been compromised...
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Old July 24 2014, 07:07 AM   #51
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I imagine Starfleet had a whole bunch of operations that didn't involve the Enterprise and its missions. It may have just taken him that long to get around to dealing with those particular things... maybe?
Of course, but you think Kirk would have prioritized the Neural situation once he was in charge of operations, considering the volatile situation he left, especially since he had personally armed one of the sides - escalation of war on that planet was a distinct possibility while he was gone. in my opinion, it was highly irresponsible and even negligent of Starfleet to not at least monitor the situation after the Klingon and Enterprise interference in the local situation, regardless of the Prime Directive, which had already been compromised...
...then again, perhaps because of the Organian Peace Treaty and the relatively fragile ceasefire between the Federation and the Klingon Empire following their conflict in 2267, both governments agreed to withdraw completely from Neural in 2268, or we're told to by the Organians, so Kirk was only allowed to return to Neural in 2273 when evidence that the Klingons had broken that agreement led to him being allowed a fact- finding mission. I guess that would explain why the Federation didn't do any follow up for 5 years...
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Old July 24 2014, 01:36 PM   #52
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^I doubt the Organians told anyone anything after the events of "Errand of Mercy." That episode emphatically established that the Organians found interaction with corporeal beings all but unbearable and only intervened in the war to get the noisy kids off their lawn. After all, the episode was written in an age when continuity between episodes was frowned upon, so there had to be a built-in explanation for why the Organians would never meddle in our affairs beyond this one time. So the interpretation that the Organian Peace Treaty was actively enforced by the Organians, although it's been popular over the decades, is incompatible with the evidence. Most likely, the treaty is called that because of where it was drafted and signed, as most treaties are, but was enforced entirely by the Federation and Klingon governments themselves. Which, in my view, is probably why it ceased to apply by the movie era -- evidently there'd been an upheaval among the Klingons (since the QuchHa' disappeared) and thus perhaps a change of government, in which case the treaty made with the old government would no longer apply.

Aside from that, though, the idea that the treaty kept the Federation from intervening is interesting, though I don't think it's what the episode's writers had in mind. The idea was that the treaty prevented open warfare so the powers resorted to proxy warfare, as a Vietnam allegory. Still, it's possible that there could've been some kind of mutual hands-off pact negotiated by someone who was in a better position that Kirk to bring it about.
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Old April 24 2015, 10:02 PM   #53
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I´m currently reading it. I like it so far, but I won´t vote until I´ve finished it.
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Old May 6 2015, 04:43 PM   #54
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Kirk must have his fill of Mugatos now!
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Old May 14 2015, 08:18 PM   #55
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I finished reading this book .I liked a story that takes place during the TOS movie era .I liked seeing more mature Kirk had to make choices of helping Tyree and his people deal with the Klingons and resolving the crisis on the planet and I liked the b story with Scotty ,Uhura & Chekov coming to help Kirk in the nick of time.
While I like the overall story, the B plot with Scotty, Chekov and Uhura wasn't really necessary.

Kirk put up a good show in the hand-to-hand combats.

I still have a few pages to read.
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Old May 15 2015, 11:20 PM   #56
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Finished it. I stick with my vote "above average". I voted when I still was in the middle of the novel, but nothing has changed. One of the better TOS novels. The death of several characters was criticized before. Kirk had to pay the price, like often times before.
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