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Old July 22 2014, 02:39 AM   #16
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Re: New Making of TMP book

I guess it's in the sense that TMP was our return to the "world of tomorrow" portrayed in Star Trek. Still, it is a weird title choice for a book about TMP.
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Old July 22 2014, 01:24 PM   #17
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Normally, I'd be all over this... but shipping charges are 83% of the price of the item? Sorry, can't justify that. (And they don't say whether they ship via courier or not... if so, add another 25% - 200% for "brokerage fees".) If I was in the US and only had to pay $6.50, or even better, if it was available from Amazon... but alas.

And in general, I'm not a fan of the whole "artificial scarcity" thing.

(And what's with the title? TMP's plot was a lot closer to The Changeling than it was to Return to Tomorrow... )
I ordered it, and the shipping charges make sense for USPS. We are talking about a 650 page book that, from the measurements, sounds like something along the lines of the DS9 and Voyager Companions, but the thickness and weight of the two Scriptbooks.

As for the title, if this was the original title from 1979, then from that era it would be a "Return" to the future, since it had been 6 years since TAS ended and 10 since TOS ended.
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Old July 22 2014, 03:37 PM   #18
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Re: New Making of TMP book

I went ahead and ordered this. The fact that it is a 650 page book and a first-hand account of the making of the film from the cast and crew, I think it will be worth it.
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Old July 23 2014, 03:14 PM   #19
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Re: New Making of TMP book

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Normally, I'd be all over this... but shipping charges are 83% of the price of the item? Sorry, can't justify that.
Australians are used to paying triple US cover price for most Trek books airfreighted Down Under (luckily, since about 2009, Simon & Schuster Australia is air-freighting the monthly novels at the old sea-freight price scale), so I happily ordered mine with a mere blink at the postage.

You could always have a US friend order it for you, and ship it independently, but you may find that any saving is minimal. World package postage rates have been jumping wildly recently, as email has replaced local letter services and many post office systems are in financial crises. Heavy books are often very expensive to post overseas. Australia no longer even offers a "surface mail" rate!

And in general, I'm not a fan of the whole "artificial scarcity" thing.
With many small-press publishers, a set amount has to be predicted in advance in order to get a price per unit, so a print run of 1000 is very sensible. Imagine printing 2000 copies and only 1000 sold, with the remainder being non-returnable and requiring longterm storage?

(And what's with the title? TMP's plot was a lot closer to The Changeling than it was to Return to Tomorrow... )
The same Return to Tomorrow title was promoted when the Image Publishing version was announced in the 90s. I assume it was the author's decision to use a known TOS title that was evocative of TMP (and Vejur) being the return of a futuristic old TV show (and space probe) in a new and improved (immortal) form. Certainly the android bodies in the episode Return to Tomorrow were supposed to be less mortal than carbon-based humanoid bodies, and TMP ended up, after a few hiccups, cementing TOS's immortality as a franchise.
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Old July 23 2014, 03:52 PM   #20
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Re: New Making of TMP book

Ordered mine. It goes against my better judgment to order something like this without having any reviews available, but given the limited run... Well, I suppose if I don't care for it there's always eBay...

It would be nice to think I'm in the first 100, but I somehow doubt it. Failing that I'd like to think they'll at least be numbered, but I didn't see any mention of that either. Alas.
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Old July 23 2014, 04:34 PM   #21
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Ordered mine. It goes against my better judgment to order something like this without having any reviews available, but given the limited run... Well, I suppose if I don't care for it there's always eBay...

It would be nice to think I'm in the first 100, but I somehow doubt it. Failing that I'd like to think they'll at least be numbered, but I didn't see any mention of that either. Alas.
I'm in the same boat as you. Hoping that this is worth it, because if it is, sounds dynamite.
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Old July 23 2014, 08:21 PM   #22
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It goes against my better judgment to order something like this without having any reviews available, but given the limited run... Well, I suppose if I don't care for it there's always eBay...
Did you like all of Cinefantastique's double issues over the decades? I don't recall too many flops. Even "The Black Hole" CFQ articles were great, despite the film being rather ho hum.
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Old July 23 2014, 09:10 PM   #23
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If I recall correctly I have about three of those covering TNG. I enjoyed those, but I think you're confusing me with a more dedicated fan.
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Old July 24 2014, 01:24 AM   #24
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It goes against my better judgment to order something like this without having any reviews available, but given the limited run... Well, I suppose if I don't care for it there's always eBay...
Did you like all of Cinefantastique's double issues over the decades? I don't recall too many flops. Even "The Black Hole" CFQ articles were great, despite the film being rather ho hum.
I've re-bought nearly every old double-issue at least once in the last 10 years (I have a tendency to wear these things out, actually bought a complete set of the first 20 years from ebay for less than 150 bucks in 1988), and I just love reading them. Doesn't matter if the movie sucks (actually, reading these lets you know WHY, especially in case of TBH.)

Towards the end, right before Clarke's suicide, CFQ was really screwing up, even the cover would have typos, like an article on THE PHANTOM MENACE being listed as PHANTOM EMPIRE.
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Old July 24 2014, 03:37 AM   #25
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And in general, I'm not a fan of the whole "artificial scarcity" thing.
With many small-press publishers, a set amount has to be predicted in advance in order to get a price per unit, so a print run of 1000 is very sensible. Imagine printing 2000 copies and only 1000 sold, with the remainder being non-returnable and requiring longterm storage?
Set a price point that allows you to make a reasonable margin on a single book, then open up your pre-release sales using that price. Then base your print run on the number of orders you actually receive. Your cost per unit shouldn't go up with more units printed (if it changes at all, it should decrease), so you should still be making your margin on any sales over the 1000 estimate. Since you're printing based on actual purchases, you don't end up with a stockpile of unsold items, but you're also not artificially limiting your purchases. Why wouldn't they want to sell 1500 copies vs. 1000, if they could?
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Old July 24 2014, 04:10 AM   #26
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Since you're printing based on actual purchases, you don't end up with a stockpile of unsold items, but you're also not artificially limiting your purchases. Why wouldn't they want to sell 1500 copies vs. 1000, if they could?
And that may well be their plan. Unless they number the books, we wouldn't necessarily know if they made 1000 or 2000. Or 1000 "limited edition" and the rest "second printing".

But an announcement of a limited run certainly prompts people to take action. To say there was no limit, and/or no need for haste, would encourage people to become complacent and never get aroun to ordering.
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Old August 30 2014, 11:28 PM   #27
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f**k it.

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Old August 31 2014, 12:44 AM   #28
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Dang!!

I think I ordered this but can't remember, lol. It wouldn't be the first time that I order 2 of the same item.
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Old September 12 2014, 02:19 PM   #29
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nice you could put one on ebay and make a killing
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Old September 13 2014, 01:32 PM   #30
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I expect we'll get notification that Creature Features will be sending these out in the next few weeks. Looking forward to it.
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