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Old July 14 2014, 07:40 AM   #16
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Re: DS9: Section 31 - Abyss by D.Weddle & J.Lang Review Thread (Spoile

I gave Abyss a fairly glowing review back in 2013 when I did a re-read. This one really proved to me that the whole "re-launch" thing was going to work way back when I first read it. DS9 was my favorite series, and I remember being so thrilled that it would continue in book form!
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Old July 14 2014, 01:51 PM   #17
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It's gratifying to see Abyss get some attention. It was a fun project, though, if memory serves, produced under a tight deadline. As noted above, Marco and Davod Weddle developed the outline and I was brought in to write the ms. when David had to bow out. As I recall, the outline was very similar to a TV show beat sheet, noting the key events for each act and the arches of the main characters. I don't believe I added any major plot points, but the character bits were mine. I remember particularly enjoying writing the interactions between Ro and Ezri (who hadn't interacted much at this point) and Taran'atar and Everyone Else, because he was such a fun character. Liked writing his action scenes, too.
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Old July 14 2014, 04:15 PM   #18
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Abyss was fun and a great way to get inside these characters' heads. Can I ask how The Left Hand of Destiny, which I love, developed from Hertzler to yourself, Mr Lang?
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Old July 14 2014, 07:55 PM   #19
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Re: DS9: Section 31 - Abyss by D.Weddle & J.Lang Review Thread (Spoile

Christopher wrote: View Post
^I think JD is saying that DRGIII never wrote for the show DS9.
Ah, I see my mistake now. Thanks.
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Old July 15 2014, 12:20 AM   #20
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Since this thread is supposed to be about Abyss, I'll keep this brief. Writing Left Hand was a much different process. J.G was much more involved. He developed a very detailed outline (with Marco's assistance, I believe) and wrote a first draft. The reason they brought me in was because 1.) J.G. had to go onto other projects and 2.) While his draft was fascinating, it wasn't exactly a novel. In fact, it read much more like a play -- a Shakespearean play, at that. All the characters spoke in very high-flown language and were bigger than life. It was exhilarating... and exhausting. As I recall -- and it's been a while -- I tried to reuse as much of J.G.'s prose as I could, but it was very difficult to incorporate. Key speeches were used, but I had to pretty much start over from chapter 1 and retool with an eye toward making it "novel-like." Inevitably, I ended up adding characters and scenes. I'm very proud of Pharh, the Ferengi character. He was all mine.

Okay, not so brief. Here's the recipe - it was like a good mixed drink. J.G. was the booze and I added the tonic and the bitters.
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Old July 15 2014, 12:29 AM   #21
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^ Thank you! That's very interesting - it would be amazing (though I presume impossible) to see that draft too. Your work was excellent then - I always felt Felt Hand felt very close to how Hertzler was presented Martok in the DS9 Companion, and the affinity he had for the character, but with lots of touches that I wasn't sure he would have perceived. I do love how Kahless was presented - a sense of the Romantic (even Goethe) in him - was this also from his draft? Certainly he is the most overtly Shakespearean in the final draft, but re-thinking it, so much feels like a stage play - even your 'comedic' characters like Pharh, the observers on the sides of the stage. As I said, excellent!

Maybe I wish the idea of Kahless's invective and the hope for Martok changing his people will come up again!
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Old July 15 2014, 12:57 AM   #22
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I have a question,
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Old July 15 2014, 03:16 AM   #23
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This was a great one. The early DS9 relaunch was such a thrill - Trek books where something was really happening. They still hold up now, too, even after Trek has been doing that for over a decade quite well.
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Old July 16 2014, 05:49 PM   #24
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Re: DS9: Section 31 - Abyss by D.Weddle & J.Lang Review Thread (Spoile

Really liked this, even liked it still when we did it for our DS9R series on Literary Treks. The relauch carried on strong with this book and left me wanting more.
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Old July 16 2014, 06:55 PM   #25
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Re: DS9: Section 31 - Abyss by D.Weddle & J.Lang Review Thread (Spoile

I really liked this book, but I think I like Avatar better. So far in my reading of the relaunch I would rank them like this from favorite to not quite favorite:

Mission Gamma: Twilight
Avatar: Books 1 and 2
Abyss
Demons of Air and Darkness
Horn and Ivory
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Old July 21 2014, 02:15 AM   #26
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Re: DS9: Section 31 - Abyss by D.Weddle & J.Lang Review Thread (Spoile

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I have a question,


I recently read this novel and loved it just as much as Avatar. I felt like I was watching a two-part television episode - and one of the best ones. It even had the perfect cliffhanger ending midway throughout the book, as the runabout crashes and the team gets separated. Some very nice twists (some I saw coming and some I did not) and some nice character development for all members of Bashir's team.
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Old July 21 2014, 08:13 PM   #27
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I like the side stories that feature along with the main plot - the first appearance of Shakaar in the relaunch, Quark meeting Malic (the Orion Syndicate member from Demons of Air and Darkess and the scenes between Kasidy and Joseph Sisko when they realize Jake is missing.

I have a question; Nog's work with the da Vinci/Starfleet Corps of Engineers is from SCE: "Cold Fusion" - was "Cold Fusion" plotted after based on the plot or was the reference a tie-in?
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Old July 22 2014, 12:51 AM   #28
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As I recall, I was told, "Nog fixed DS9," so I'm pretty sure they had the story plotted before I started writing.
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Old July 22 2014, 01:19 AM   #29
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I am confused. Didn't this book come out in 2001?
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Old July 22 2014, 01:26 AM   #30
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^Affirmative.
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