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Old July 20 2014, 06:42 PM   #1021
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Re: IDW Star Trek Ongoing...

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Of course they still exist, but in their own (prime) timeline. In the new timeline, things should be very different in the 24th century. Which would make a reboot of TNG, DS9 or Voyager in the nuVerse impossible!
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If a reboot of that era had all the characters same as before then there'd be no reason to reboot them, right? That it would be different is why story potential exists.
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Old July 20 2014, 06:53 PM   #1022
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You need to check the Mirror Universe series again. It was stated in Glass Empires - Age of the Empress that the Terran Empire exterminated all known telepathic species. Therefore the general public believed all telepathic species to be extinct although Betazoids clearly weren't and Vulcans kept their secret. The Andorians were a populous subject/client species of the Terran Empire throughout the Empire's history. In the mirror version of the Khitomer conspiracy in The Sorrows of Empire, two high-ranking Andorian generals are conspirators along with four Terran admirals. Rise Like Lions states that the conquest by the Alliance had led to the near-extinction of Andorians, but their continued existence must have been publicly known since there aren't any other obviously blue-skinned species with antennae.
Thanks for the additional background. As I said - the Terrans didn't succeed in making the Betazoids extinct.

Hoshi Sato II was known as the Butcher of Andor. That's where I got the idea of reducing the Andorian population without killing them off, from. The Alliance campaign you brought up also serves to underline the original point.

Namely, that Deanna and Shar existed despite overwhelming odds to the contrary (= propability to be born despite near-genocide among one's ancestors). Which is the example to serve another point: regardless of events, the existence of characters depends on the creative decisions of the writers/authors because it's all fictional.
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Old July 20 2014, 07:28 PM   #1023
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Although I'm no fan of the "infinite universes" model, one could legitimately argue that even in a large but finite array of universes, there'd be a nonzero chance of finding two in which the same individuals existed. There could be a few thousand alternate versions of the Mirror Universe, and in most of the ones where Betazed and Andor were razed, the ancestors of Deanna and Shar might have been killed and they wouldn't exist; but we preferentially follow one in which they do exist, and in which most of the other Prime Universe characters do as well. Maybe that coincidental convergence of individuals is why a link was established between the two timelines allowing recurring interaction between them.
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Old July 20 2014, 10:47 PM   #1024
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Disney is planning to do a new Star Wars movie every year. It would be amazing if we could get a new Trek movie every year!
It's been argued that oversaturating the market led to Trek's downfall. I'll agree it was certainly a factor, and it's something Disney is going to face soon if they continue to release their Marvel movies to the pattern they are, and if they do go ahead with the one Star Wars movie per year. I'm not really a believer in quality over quantity, and indeed I have expressed frustrations over how long it takes Abrams and Bad Robot to make their movies, however there's something preferable to a new Trek movie every two or three years over a new movie or two every year.
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Old July 20 2014, 11:40 PM   #1025
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Well, Trek never had a "downfall," just a decline, as evidenced by how successfully it's rebounded. And I'm not sure anything can be said for certain about what factors caused that decline. Various people have their pet theories, but theories need repeatability to be verified, and that's difficult in TV/film when there are so many different variables in play at once. I find that a lot of conventional wisdom gets disproved sooner or later -- for instance, seven or eight years ago, most people assumed Trek would be moribund for another couple of decades, but it only took a few years to rebound after Enterprise ended.
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Old July 21 2014, 01:00 AM   #1026
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The nice thing about doing three revolving movie serieses is that you would get three years between each TNG, three between each DS9 and three between each Voyager movie. So there would be a lot of variety in the characters, and each series should have it's own identity and themes, even in a shared universe.
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Old July 21 2014, 01:18 AM   #1027
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Really, although it would make sense to the studio to reboot the existing shows and go for the name recognition, I might prefer it if they came up with new spinoff series of their own. That might allow for more variety than just a bunch of starship series. I mean, the advantage of the Marvel Cinematic Universe is that its individual series are all so different. Iron Man is a high-tech thriller, Thor is epic fantasy, Captain America had a war movie and then a conspiracy/political thriller, the Hulk is a monster movie, Guardians of the Galaxy is space opera, and so forth. It doesn't all feel the same because it covers so many different genres.

I think we've managed to pull off something very like that in Trek Lit. Things like New Frontier, Vanguard, Articles of the Federation, and DTI are all very different in approach and tone, from each other and from the aired shows. If Paramount did go the shared-universe franchise route for big-screen Trek, it might be nice to see them develop a similar diversity.

Of course, DS9 did manage to be quite different from its contemporaries. And VGR could've been very different if it had been free to take full advantage of its "lost in the wilderness" format. But there could certainly be other possibilities not yet explored onscreen.
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Old July 21 2014, 02:48 AM   #1028
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I've had this idea of a space station based tv series as a companion to the reboot TOS movies. I wouldn't be opposed at all to new original spin offs from the reboot.
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Old July 21 2014, 12:10 PM   #1029
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Anyone else notice that IDW has gone from 22 pages of story to 20? Did that just happen, or was it a few issues back and I just didn't notice?
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Old July 23 2014, 05:46 PM   #1030
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I did a Google search recently and I finally found images of the Section 31 ships from The Khitomer Conflict. I thought I would share them here since Memory Beta doesn't have them.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img547/6121/ae2x.jpg
http://www.visionarytrek.com/wp-cont...on-31-Ship.jpg

Is it just my imagination, or does some sci-fi franchise that this site's users also like have ships resembling the ones in the top image, the one with vertical nacelles?
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Old July 23 2014, 06:29 PM   #1031
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The ship in the top image is basically the Kelvin design with influences from the Vengeance. The second one looks suspiciously similar to the Constellation class.
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Old July 23 2014, 08:50 PM   #1032
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I did a Google search recently and I finally found images of the Section 31 ships from The Khitomer Conflict. I thought I would share them here since Memory Beta doesn't have them.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img547/6121/ae2x.jpg
http://www.visionarytrek.com/wp-cont...on-31-Ship.jpg

Is it just my imagination, or does some sci-fi franchise that this site's users also like have ships resembling the ones in the top image, the one with vertical nacelles?
That Kelvin-style one just became one of my favourite Trek designs. Love it.
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Old July 23 2014, 09:37 PM   #1033
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Looks kind of like a Zat gun with nacelles.
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Old July 24 2014, 01:28 AM   #1034
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The nice thing about doing three revolving movie serieses is that you would get three years between each TNG, three between each DS9 and three between each Voyager movie. So there would be a lot of variety in the characters, and each series should have it's own identity and themes, even in a shared universe.
After seven-hundred plus episode and ten movies, I like getting a film every three or four years. It makes Trek feel special again.
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Old July 24 2014, 02:03 AM   #1035
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One movie a year to me still feels like a long wait. Trek always felt special to me, even when we had a couple of shows on at the same time.
I get excited every time a new Trek book comes out.
I am very easily pleased apparently. I really enjoy things to their fullest as much as I possibly can.
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