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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old July 17 2014, 12:06 AM   #46
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Re: John Larroquette: ST III

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The other thing is that Christopher Lloyd has a very distinct voice. Even under all that Klingon makeup, you can easily tell from the voice that it is Lloyd.
Admiral Kirk, you don't want to give me the Genesis Device...
That is perhaps the worst impressionist I've ever seen.
Judging by a five minute bit from a show early in his career (30-some years ago)? Another show from that time period is where I first saw the man, and came to admire his work.

Maurice LaMarche is an accomplished voice actor. You might know him better as The Brain, any number of characters on Animaniacs and Histeria, not to mention Morbo, Calculon, and Kif Kroker (among others) from Futurama, or more recently the Voice of Lexus.

He also originated "Talk Like William Shatner Day."
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Old July 20 2014, 03:30 AM   #47
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The thing which strikes me the most on reflection about Kruge is how the script seems to write the character as being sort of righteous -- he goes around talking about Starfleet developing secret weapons, about how the Klingons are going to save galactic peace from this new Federation threat called Genesis, etc -- which seems to suggest that the intention was for there to be this kind of ambiguity, perhaps a suggestion that maybe he is actually right and that he's got the best intentions of the galaxy in mind (taking into account of course that he's making an assumption that the top secret Genesis Project is some kind of a weapon). Of course, then we get Lloyd's performance, dripping as it is with exaggerated menace, and scenes like the one where he orders for a hostage to be killed to show he means business. You never really forget that he's the villain of the piece, contrary it seems to some of his dialogue.
Definitely a path not [properly] taken.

And I would have LOVED to see EJO's portrayal of Kruge.
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Old July 20 2014, 03:55 AM   #48
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I always saw Kruge as a Klingon in the tradition of Kor, Koloth and Kang: an antagonist with an understandable perspective, as opposed to a caricature of evil.

Definitely a contrast to post-TOS films. There is no way to sympathize with Soran, the Borg Queen, Ru'afo, Shinzon, Nero or Marcus. This is especially disappointing in the case of Shinzon, who, given the concept, certainly could have been a somewhat sympathetic character, but the film never gives him a fair shake.
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I always saw Kruge as a Klingon in the tradition of Kor, Koloth and Kang: an antagonist with an understandable perspective, as opposed to a caricature of evil.

Definitely a contrast to post-TOS films. There is no way to sympathize with Soran, the Borg Queen, Ru'afo, Shinzon, Nero or Marcus. This is especially disappointing in the case of Shinzon, who, given the concept, certainly could have been a somewhat sympathetic character, but the film never gives him a fair shake.
I find Nero very easy to to sympathize with. He'd lost his family. That will mess you up in the worst way.

Shinzon is the polar opposite. What he should have been and what he was... yeah they just didn't connect. At all.
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