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Old July 19 2014, 05:28 PM   #1
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Which novels should become Big Finish audio dramas?

Two of Gareth Robert's 90's Fourth Doctor novels are being adapted into audio form for Big Finish:

http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2014/07...714123008.html

The novel Love & War, the original novel in which Ace leaves the Doctor (Although she comes back later) has also been adapted. The original novel is by Paul Cornell who IMO is one of the stronger Nuwho writers.


http://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/love-and-war-776


Now apart from those novels which are given audios anyway (Most of the BBC line these days) which novels from the past could work as Big Finish audio dramas? I know some of the new adventures were adapted early but just with Bernice Summerfield (Just War I think).
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Old July 19 2014, 06:24 PM   #2
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Re: Which novels should become Big Finish audio dramas?

Well, without having read a lot of novels besides some crucial ones (including the grand Lungbarrow), I would suggest the obvious one:

Spiral Scratch
, the Sixth Doctor's regeneration story. I know it might be controversial, given how its full Garry Russel-isms, but its worthy of production just for the regeneration scene alone. His last words were aptly lovely. It certainly beats the sad legacy of Time and the Rani of banging his head to the console. AND, since the Sixth never had a regeneration story...
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Old July 24 2014, 02:57 PM   #3
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Re: Which novels should become Big Finish audio dramas?

BF just announced that Robert's "The Well-Mannered War" and RTD's "Damaged Goods" are being adapted. Chris and Roz on audio at last!

http://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/big-...-damaged-goods
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Old July 24 2014, 03:20 PM   #4
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Re: Which novels should become Big Finish audio dramas?

I would really love an adaptation of The Infinity Doctors. It would be difficult to do, however, since the performance would make concrete some things that prose leaves ambiguous, like which Doctor stars in the novel. Yet, it would be interesting, especially if McGann played the unspecified Doctor, John Simm played the Magistrate, and Peter Davison played Omega.
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Old July 24 2014, 05:57 PM   #5
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Re: Which novels should become Big Finish audio dramas?

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Well, without having read a lot of novels besides some crucial ones (including the grand Lungbarrow), I would suggest the obvious one:

Spiral Scratch
, the Sixth Doctor's regeneration story. I know it might be controversial, given how its full Garry Russel-isms, but its worthy of production just for the regeneration scene alone. His last words were aptly lovely. It certainly beats the sad legacy of Time and the Rani of banging his head to the console. AND, since the Sixth never had a regeneration story...
That would be good (especially since Gary Russell still has a good relationship with Big Finish), but it's unlikely; Colin Baker has said several times at conventions (and in Vortex, Big Finish's magazine) that he doesn't want to do a regeneration story.
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Old July 24 2014, 06:51 PM   #6
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It'll be interesting to see how they handle Damaged Goods, since BF's output is always firmly in the PG area and this... isn't.

And I wonder if The Well Mannered War will keep the FU BBC ending.
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Old July 24 2014, 08:14 PM   #7
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Re: Which novels should become Big Finish audio dramas?

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Well, without having read a lot of novels besides some crucial ones (including the grand Lungbarrow), I would suggest the obvious one:

Spiral Scratch
, the Sixth Doctor's regeneration story. I know it might be controversial, given how its full Garry Russel-isms, but its worthy of production just for the regeneration scene alone. His last words were aptly lovely. It certainly beats the sad legacy of Time and the Rani of banging his head to the console. AND, since the Sixth never had a regeneration story...
That would be good (especially since Gary Russell still has a good relationship with Big Finish), but it's unlikely; Colin Baker has said several times at conventions (and in Vortex, Big Finish's magazine) that he doesn't want to do a regeneration story.
Well, not to sound rude or mean, but one day he will have to sort of stop, won't he? So why not have a final story for his Doctor anyway?

I seriously don't understand the mentality of it. Some of the best stories have been regeneration stories, so why not?
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Old July 24 2014, 10:11 PM   #8
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Re: Which novels should become Big Finish audio dramas?

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Emperor-Tiberius wrote: View Post
Well, without having read a lot of novels besides some crucial ones (including the grand Lungbarrow), I would suggest the obvious one:

Spiral Scratch
, the Sixth Doctor's regeneration story. I know it might be controversial, given how its full Garry Russel-isms, but its worthy of production just for the regeneration scene alone. His last words were aptly lovely. It certainly beats the sad legacy of Time and the Rani of banging his head to the console. AND, since the Sixth never had a regeneration story...
That would be good (especially since Gary Russell still has a good relationship with Big Finish), but it's unlikely; Colin Baker has said several times at conventions (and in Vortex, Big Finish's magazine) that he doesn't want to do a regeneration story.
Well, not to sound rude or mean, but one day he will have to sort of stop, won't he? So why not have a final story for his Doctor anyway?

I seriously don't understand the mentality of it. Some of the best stories have been regeneration stories, so why not?
Is it so hard to believe that he simply has no interest in doing it?
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Old July 24 2014, 11:40 PM   #9
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That would be good (especially since Gary Russell still has a good relationship with Big Finish), but it's unlikely; Colin Baker has said several times at conventions (and in Vortex, Big Finish's magazine) that he doesn't want to do a regeneration story.
Well, not to sound rude or mean, but one day he will have to sort of stop, won't he? So why not have a final story for his Doctor anyway?

I seriously don't understand the mentality of it. Some of the best stories have been regeneration stories, so why not?
Is it so hard to believe that he simply has no interest in doing it?
Frankly, yes. As an actor, a death story is always enticing and a top choice. And for a Doctor whose ultimate legacy is a "bump in the console", Big Finish is exactly the platform to realize the most fitting ending for his Doctor. Seeing as how he is, for all intents and purposes, the most prolific audio Doctor in Big Finish' history.
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Old July 25 2014, 12:20 AM   #10
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Re: Which novels should become Big Finish audio dramas?

Well I only have one Doctor Who novel, Transit by Ben Aaronovitch, but I think it could actually be adapted to a decent audio. The train and the bustling Martian city could add some cool audio atmosphere and the events are varied and defined fairly well without relying overly on visual cues. Even the subway surfers I think could be conveyed with some echoing whooshing FX.

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It'll be interesting to see how they handle Damaged Goods, since BF's output is always firmly in the PG area and this... isn't.
That would make Transit tough though maybe if it was "adapted" for audio it could still work?

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Old July 25 2014, 01:21 AM   #11
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I'm a little confused. I've never read the New Adventures series myself, but I was led to believe it had been all-but-decanonized by the events of NuWho. (The Eighth Doctor BBC novels, if I remember right, had been dismissed as 'alternate universe.') But between Love & War, the recent Bernice boxset and now Damaged Goods, and no one calling them 'Unbound,' it's looking more and more like some version of it did happen.

Since Sylvester McCoy isn't getting any younger - they probably couldn't adapt all 61 'episodes' if they tried - I'm assuming any more NA adaptations would focus on the most crucial ones (like Lungbarrow, mentioned above). So...which ones are those?
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Old July 25 2014, 01:47 AM   #12
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As far as the Missing Adventures, likely candidates I think would include:

The Empire of Glass - 1st Doctor story. Both Peter Purves and Maureen O'Brien are still available, and the story introduces Irving Braxiatel (who - I'm reading up on all this - figures in NAs, Benny's solo series and other BF audios) as well as ties into The Three Doctors.
Twilight of the Gods/The Dark Path - 2nd Doctor stories. Frazier Hines as Jamie/Two and Deborah Watling as Victoria. The first story features the Web Planet of Vortis, the second is essentially the Secret Origin of the Master. While the novel has Delgado's Master on the cover, I see no reason the audio version couldn't be retconned into a pre-Delgado version.

Not really possible to adapt any Three MAs or the other Four MAs due to lack of original actors, so we jump ahead to Five and Cold Fusion. With Adric, Chris and Roz now added to the BF cast, this Five/Seven crossover is now possible. Ties into Lungbarrow somehow, apparently.

Pretty much any of the Five or Six/Peri MAs could be used, really.
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Old July 25 2014, 03:59 AM   #13
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I'd love to hear an adaptation of The Sands of Time. Goth Opera could also be interesting, but that one might be rather difficult to adapt.
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While the novel has Delgado's Master on the cover, I see no reason the audio version couldn't be retconned into a pre-Delgado version.
Except that a) numero uno suspect for a pre-Delgado Master (and thus the one it'd work best with) was Edward Brayshaw as the War Chief, and Brayshaw's also too dead to take part, and b) he's a good guy at that point, so new casting wouldn't really sell what he'll become.
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Old July 26 2014, 01:01 PM   #15
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I'm a little confused. I've never read the New Adventures series myself, but I was led to believe it had been all-but-decanonized by the events of NuWho. (The Eighth Doctor BBC novels, if I remember right, had been dismissed as 'alternate universe.') But between Love & War, the recent Bernice boxset and now Damaged Goods, and no one calling them 'Unbound,' it's looking more and more like some version of it did happen.

Since Sylvester McCoy isn't getting any younger - they probably couldn't adapt all 61 'episodes' if they tried - I'm assuming any more NA adaptations would focus on the most crucial ones (like Lungbarrow, mentioned above). So...which ones are those?
I think they could adapt the essential ones. First and last, and best-of between them. Certainly to formulate a cohesive audio arc each time.

And Love & War is as essential as the Lost Stories, IMO. And its such a glorious story, too.
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