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View Poll Results: Rate "The Alternative Factor"
1 9 34.62%
2 3 11.54%
3 4 15.38%
4 3 11.54%
5 4 15.38%
6 2 7.69%
7 0 0%
8 0 0%
9 0 0%
10 1 3.85%
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Old July 19 2014, 05:33 AM   #1
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Episode of the Week : The Alternative Factor

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Old July 19 2014, 07:05 AM   #2
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Re: Episode of the Week : The Alternative Factor

Where's the zero option?
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Old July 19 2014, 07:57 AM   #3
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Re: Episode of the Week : The Alternative Factor

3. A mess! Quite likely the biggest 'miss' of season one.

KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL!
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Old July 19 2014, 08:23 AM   #4
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Re: Episode of the Week : The Alternative Factor

I deem it #1.

I mean: a one!

Not even the cute UFO that Lazarus drives helps it. Unlike "Spock's Brain", it's not even fun. And the tilt-a-cam views of the glowing Lazari fighting are painfully tedious.

What of Lazurus?!? What of who gives a $#!+???
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Old July 19 2014, 11:15 AM   #5
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I'm waiting for sossmcin to come in intending to vote a 1, but accidentally give it a 10.
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Old July 19 2014, 12:13 PM   #6
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Re: Episode of the Week : The Alternative Factor

'4'.

The first true "miss" of the series. Just a mess. But when Trek fails, it fails spectacularly!
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Old July 19 2014, 03:14 PM   #7
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Re: Episode of the Week : The Alternative Factor

I gave it 1. Just a bad episode BUT as with nearly every TOS there are some cool things about it such as the dilithium crystal regeneration room and that cool view (only seen in this episode) from under the Enterprise firing phasers not to mention the saucer that later became the brain container in "Gamesters . .." Still, just a mess of an episode, lol.
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Old July 19 2014, 03:58 PM   #8
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Re: Episode of the Week : The Alternative Factor

I don't understand the bitching about this episode.
Sure it doesn't stand up to scrutiny but what episode does?

I thought Lazurus was a fairly sympathetic character and willing to sacrifice himself for the good of everyone having the guilt of his counterpart destroying his world.
I still can't understand why he just didn't kill his counterpart but there are similar mysteries in lots of episodes.

Still not one of my favourites. Perhaps in my bottom 10 episodes but only just.
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Old July 19 2014, 04:40 PM   #9
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I think the episode's damning fault is that it shows so much promise.

It's clearly not a finished product - the story jumps here and there, the costuming is off, there's repetition and half-baked dialogue and incoherently wasted location shooting. But with two more weeks of work before the shooting and a couple of days after it, there could have been whodunnit suspense, exotic premises, tension and determination, and even a bit of tragedy.

A 6 for what still managed to get on screen, but with 3 detracted for all the garbage that also got in.

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Old July 19 2014, 05:27 PM   #10
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Re: Episode of the Week : The Alternative Factor

Timo wrote: View Post
I think the episode's damning fault is that it shows so much promise.

It's clearly not a finished product - the story jumps here and there, the costuming is off, there's repetition and half-baked dialogue and incoherently wasted location shooting.
That's it in a nutshell -- this episode must have been extremely rushed in both writing and production. It doesn't help that John Drew Barrymore, the actor originally cast as Lazarus, failed to show up and required a last-minute replacement.

The science in Trek is always a bit wonky, but here it's more worthy of Lost in Space. And the thin storyline is obviously padded out with those endless repeated shots of stuntmen fighting in a room filled with dry-ice fog.

Lazarus' little flying saucer was kind of cool, though -- but why was it missing a door?

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Old July 22 2014, 03:46 AM   #11
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Timo wrote: View Post
It's clearly not a finished product - the story jumps here and there, the costuming is off, there's repetition and half-baked dialogue and incoherently wasted location shooting. But with two more weeks of work before the shooting and a couple of days after it, there could have been whodunnit suspense, exotic premises, tension and determination, and even a bit of tragedy.
I tend to agree, I find this episode pretty frustrating and it can't simply caused by John Drew Barrymore's defection.
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Old July 22 2014, 02:16 PM   #12
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Re: Episode of the Week : The Alternative Factor

Since I accidentally voted "1" for Arena, should I even it all out and give this one a 10?

Star Trek is like pizza: even when it's bad, it's still pretty good. There isn't a single episode of the classic 79 that I truly hate. This one is weird, repetitive and laughable, but it's not boring. Many of the performances are strong, there is great music tracked throughout and that unique shot of the Enterprise is always fun to see (assuming you're watching the original effects).

A 5 because "Mark of Gideon" is worse.
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Old July 22 2014, 03:08 PM   #13
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Re: Episode of the Week : The Alternative Factor

I pick this one as the worst of the 1st season by far, also one of the worst of all seasons, but I still actually enjoy the effort the regulars put into it. I mean there's lots to say bad things about, but the regulars charactarizations/acting is certainly not one.

I vote 5.
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Old July 23 2014, 03:25 PM   #14
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Re: Episode of the Week : The Alternative Factor

As mentioned earlier, it's nice to see the dilithium room, and different crew members with lines. Makes it feel like a ship that actually has 400 crewmembers.

I just never watched it and thought 'this sucks' or "This is kind of boring" (See The Empath) or "Kind of a combination of both" (See TNG:We'll always have Paris")
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Old July 23 2014, 06:52 PM   #15
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Re: Episode of the Week : The Alternative Factor

ssosmcin wrote: View Post

Star Trek is like pizza: even when it's bad, it's still pretty good.
So does that mean Star Trek is like sex?
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