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View Poll Results: How would you grade The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug?
A+ 8 6.67%
A 31 25.83%
A- 24 20.00%
B+ 16 13.33%
B 16 13.33%
B- 2 1.67%
C+ 7 5.83%
C 8 6.67%
C- 3 2.50%
D+ 3 2.50%
D 1 0.83%
D- 0 0%
F 1 0.83%
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Old February 26 2014, 11:10 PM   #271
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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug - Grading & Discussion (Spoile

JarodRussell wrote: View Post
It's interesting how the Hobbit outgrosses Catching Fire basically in silence, but Catching Fire itself was hyped pretty loudly.
wut? Are you saying there was no marketing for DoS? Because I rather think there was...


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The fad is to fawn over Hunger Games while dumping on the Hobbit because it's a prequel and a vast expansion on the source material. But I love it

Also, Catching Fire definitely beat Smaug in the US domestic box office; 424m over 257m.
Not to mention global attendance, I'd wager, once the 3D inflation is factored in.
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Old February 27 2014, 12:06 PM   #272
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Why is it that every movie gets A's here?
My guess is bad movies don't really in people bothering to make a grading thread.
Man of Steel isn't a damn good movie. Yet, it received a lot of A's here. I don't hate that movie, but I certainly don't think that it deserved an A.
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Old February 27 2014, 12:41 PM   #273
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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug - Grading & Discussion (Spoile

I can't speak for anyone else, of course, but I don't generally go to see movies that I don't have much interest in and/or don't think will be very good. So the majority of my ratings are high, simply because I'm not wasting time on movies that would have received a low rating from me.

Besides, is it really that surprising that SF/F fans are giving SF/F movies high ratings? We are the target audience, after all.
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Old February 27 2014, 01:07 PM   #274
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Why is it that every movie gets A's here?
My guess is bad movies don't really in people bothering to make a grading thread.
Man of Steel isn't a damn good movie. Yet, it received a lot of A's here. I don't hate that movie, but I certainly don't think that it deserved an A.
It's still probably deserves a B, so someone who gives it an A is within the margin of error. I haven't seen the grading thread there in a long time so I don't know how it compares to, say, Thor 2.
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Old February 28 2014, 11:53 AM   #275
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I can't speak for anyone else, of course, but I don't generally go to see movies that I don't have much interest in and/or don't think will be very good. So the majority of my ratings are high, simply because I'm not wasting time on movies that would have received a low rating from me.

Besides, is it really that surprising that SF/F fans are giving SF/F movies high ratings? We are the target audience, after all.
From what I observed on Comic Book Forums, it is the target audience itself that didn't like the movie.

I personally would have given it a B.
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Old February 28 2014, 02:23 PM   #276
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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug - Grading & Discussion (Spoile

What of it? I generally rate comic book movies much lower than comic book fans. Their particular take on SF/F doesn't appeal to me nearly as much as fantasy in the vein of LOTR/Hobbit. It's possible for different cross-sections of fandom to gravitate more closely toward one aspect of it than another. Obviously the folks here, in a forum specifically for SF/F, found more to enjoy about The Hobbit than the ones on your comic book forum. But you'll also find plenty of legitimate criticisms about both Desolation of Smaug and Man of Steel in their respective threads here. So I'm not really sure what the big deal is.

And for whatever it's worth, I gave DoS and MoS the exact same grades as you: B+ and B, respectively.
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Old March 1 2014, 11:51 AM   #277
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What of it? I generally rate comic book movies much lower than comic book fans. Their particular take on SF/F doesn't appeal to me nearly as much as fantasy in the vein of LOTR/Hobbit. It's possible for different cross-sections of fandom to gravitate more closely toward one aspect of it than another. Obviously the folks here, in a forum specifically for SF/F, found more to enjoy about The Hobbit than the ones on your comic book forum. But you'll also find plenty of legitimate criticisms about both Desolation of Smaug and Man of Steel in their respective threads here. So I'm not really sure what the big deal is.

And for whatever it's worth, I gave DoS and MoS the exact same grades as you: B+ and B, respectively.
I was responding to that thing-of the target audience rating a thing higher then other people. With Man of Steel, I observed the opposite.
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Old July 14 2014, 03:37 PM   #278
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I finally got around to watching this movie. I'd say a B- was a fair score. Some of the movie is terrific and some of the CGI is outstanding (Smaug for instance) while many of the action scenes and battles still seem far to cartoonish. And it seems to me that the writers can't decide if the Dwarves are fierce warriors or inept (depending on what is needed in the script for each individual plot device).

I thought the romance between Tauriel and Killi was a bit far fetched. Sure, maybe flirtacious love at first sight still happens at the tender young age of 600 (her age according to the movie) but it seemed pretty forced and nothing more than a plot device to get her and Legolas more involved in the movie. Then again . . . it seems like every chase scene is simply to get them to the next character introduction so maybe they will end up happily ever after.

My biggest issue is the cartoonish levels of action. Barrels going down a rapid yet never filling with water, Elves exhibiting Matrix style fighting abilities (absolutely unstoppable killing machines), floating down a river of molten gold in a wheelbarrow, being surrounded by fire or incredible temperatures and never even breaking a sweat, a dragon with an incredible sense of smell except when walking right over a bunch of dwarves, etc. Ehhh . . .

And as dangerously impressive as the Orcs look on screen . . . has there ever been a more inept fighting force shown on screen in an action movie? They look like fierce warriors simply to be killed off by the boatload. Maybe the Dwarves are incompetent fighters except when fighting the Orcs who fight like a bunch of girl scouts who have never been in combat before. That might explain it.

And maybe its me but does Gandalf always seem shocked and nervous about every discovery? Shouldn't he be a bit more calm and resolute as portrayed in the book and a little less "Kramer" from Seinfeld-ish?

It seems like I am watching the movies more for the special effects, battle scenes and imagery and less for the characters or story. And perhaps just knowing it will all end happily ever after takes some of the tension from the story (many prequels are like that). Yeah . . . B-
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Old July 14 2014, 05:00 PM   #279
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Nice review. I do agree with the cartoonish action, for the most part. I really loved the Barrels Out of Bond sequence, including the Elves, except for the part where Bombur bounced and rolled around in his barrel and destroyed like half of the Orcs on his own. It was funny, but a little too close to absurd.
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Old July 15 2014, 02:31 AM   #280
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<<And maybe its me but does Gandalf always seem shocked and nervous about every discovery? Shouldn't he be a bit more calm and resolute as portrayed in the book and a little less "Kramer" from Seinfeld-ish?>>

Well... this is Gandalf the Grey, not Gandalf the White...

also... this is him discovering that Sauron has returned. I would certainly hope he finds that shocking and unsettling
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Old July 18 2014, 06:27 PM   #281
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Nice review. I do agree with the cartoonish action, for the most part. I really loved the Barrels Out of Bond sequence, including the Elves, except for the part where Bombur bounced and rolled around in his barrel and destroyed like half of the Orcs on his own. It was funny, but a little too close to absurd.
Y'know I just realized that it's like some other sequences in fiction. The most recent one I saw was in The Legend of Korra when Bumi accidentally used a mecha-tank to destroy the entire Northern Water Tribe military camp.
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Old July 19 2014, 12:58 AM   #282
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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug - Grading & Discussion (Spoile

I found the cartoony sequences in the first film nearly unbearable (the Goblin King section being the most noteworthy example). The second movie seemed toned down for me. If the barrel scene was the worst, it wasn't all that bad. At the same time, they cartooniness was arguably an attempt to make the Hobbit more child-friendly than the Lord of the Rings, since it was written that way, and the move away from cartoony is proportionate to the move away from the source material (certainly, the Elves in Lake Town weren't all that cartoony in their set piece).
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