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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old July 1 2014, 03:53 AM   #16
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Re: STV - TFF is 25 years old...

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Correction, here:

The budget of Star Trek V was actually quite a bit higher than Star Trek IV's ($33 million vs. $21 million). The fifth movie's visual FX budget (initially $4 million) was also slightly higher than the fourth movie's; Paramount insisted upon several cuts to planned sequences when initial projections surpassed this figure by two or three million dollars.
I'd amend that by saying that documentation I have pegs those numbers at $32 million and $22 million, but you've made the point I was going to make -- Star Trek V cost quite a bit more than any previous film in the series up to that point (except for the first film).
That is quite interesting. Why the heck did it end up looking so hokey then?

I know ILM was out working on something else (I think it was Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade?) so they got the B-team to do the FX. But they payed them the same??
TFF had SCOPE. Planet-hopping (especially when you're trying to deliver something less hokey than the SFS genesis set) is pricey. Paradise City is half-a-mil, and another quarter mil for a new bridge due to TNG negligence. TFF's vfx were done in NY by a company that didn't know from mocon spaceship shooting. Ralph Winter really didn't do the best job of advising on doing the vfx, and it shows.


Regarding INS, the reshoots tacked 7mil or so onto the total, and the baku city cost a ton. VFX-wise they may have saved some bread up front, but with all the rush work at the end, I bet the overttime pushed that number way up as well.
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Old July 1 2014, 04:27 PM   #17
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Re: STV - TFF is 25 years old...

maybe it's because I know nothing about them, but I've never been particularly bothered by the special effects in STV.
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Old July 1 2014, 05:10 PM   #18
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Re: STV - TFF is 25 years old...

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maybe it's because I know nothing about them, but I've never been particularly bothered by the special effects in STV.
I do think some are a little too harsh on TFF's FX. There are certainly a few genuinely crappy shots - but overall, I think they stand up fairly well.

Having said that, the work is somewhat inferior to that of ILM IMHO.
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Old July 10 2014, 05:14 PM   #19
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I seem to recall reading that Shatner asked Paramount if he could pay to have the FX all re-mastereda a few years back, as in, from his own pocket! And they refused.
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Old July 10 2014, 05:18 PM   #20
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maybe it's because I know nothing about them, but I've never been particularly bothered by the special effects in STV.
They never really bothered me either, but I do wish they could have been done better, but what we got is not a dealbreaker for me to enjoy the film.

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I seem to recall reading that Shatner asked Paramount if he could pay to have the FX all re-mastereda a few years back, as in, from his own pocket! And they refused.
Seriously? Out of his own pocket, and they still refused?
Sometimes I wish Paramount would just get eaten by termites.
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Old July 11 2014, 11:52 AM   #21
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Re: STV - TFF is 25 years old...

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I seem to recall reading that Shatner asked Paramount if he could pay to have the FX all re-mastereda a few years back, as in, from his own pocket! And they refused.
Shatner's already screwed up STAR TREK 5 with Paramount's money. No point in letting him use his own for it. Mission...............Accomplished!
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Old July 11 2014, 01:30 PM   #22
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He needed to make that offer about his own money while the film was still being made, like Meyer did. That usuall frightens the studio into relenting. Meyer was told it would cost six figures to redo a bridge explosion, and said 'take it out of my salary.' Reply was, 'oh, well if you feel THAT strongly about it.' Case closed. Shatner didn't understand politics of filmmaking and didn't know that a corbomite bluff MIGHT have got him what he needed originally. Winter and Bennett should have been helping him understand this stuff, not let him dangle.
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