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Old July 8 2014, 05:32 PM   #1
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Hercules/Xena (Spoilers)

Since there hasn't been a thread in a while (I checked), I figured I'd start one, since I've recently decided to try the shows out. I haven't gotten to Xena yet (I'm going through Hercules Season 1 before getting to Xena), but I'm enjoying what I've seen so far. I got the older version of Hercules S1 on DVD, so I got the 5 TV movies with it. Some thoughts on the movies: (spoiler'd for length, although there are obviously movie spoilers, too)


So, then I went on to the first season of hercules. I'm three episodes in so far.

The Wrong Path was a pretty good beginning. It was pretty dark when you think about it, although I like how they explained why Zeus didn't stop Hera without just saying it was another case of him being too scared of her (which would have ruined Zeus as a character if he had been too meek to save his grandchildren). Having Hera do it when he was distracted by a woman fit Zeus well, and doesn't make him seem like he just doesn't care about herc and his family. Hercules learned a decent lesson, although I think Herc gave up on his revenge maybe a bit too easily. I mean, he should focus on helping people, but letting Hera get away with murdering his family and only losing one temple seems like Hera got away very easily. Herc and Iolaus were both good in this, and I was disappointed to see that Iolaus wasn't joining Herc. I was a bit confused that Iolaus didn't even mention his own wife before going out to save the city, and now I'm wondering if she's just being quietly forgotten. I hope Iolaus comes back, I like the character and hercules could use a consistent companion. Overall, this was a pretty good first episode.

Eye of the Beholder was also pretty good. The cyclops was done decently, and the story was entertaining. The toga salesman was decent, not great but better than he could have been. The stuff with the 50 daughters was pretty entertaining.

The Road to Calydon was ok, but not much else. It was an acceptable adventure, but probably the weakest so far. I thought the blind seer was interesting, but the rest of the side characters were kind of bland. The winged creature was decent looking.

So far, I'm enjoying Hercules: The Legendary Journeys. I like greek mythology, and I'm fine with goofiness in fantasy. Hercules is an entertaining character, and his fight scenes are done fairly well. I have the DVDs for the first two seasons of Hercules and the first two seasons of Xena. I'm going to wait until I finish the first season of Hercules before getting to Xena. I'll give my thoughts as I go in this thread. I'll probably end up getting more seasons of Hercules and Xena, although it will probably take me a decent amount of time to go through what I have.

Also, I happened to pick up a book (The Further Adventures of Xena: Warrior Princess) for 50 cents a few days ago. I don't intend to read it anytime soon (since I'm sure I should watch a good chunk of the TV show first), but at that price it was worth getting. Plus, it has several familiar Star Trek writers involved with it, so whenever I do get to it I'm sure there will be at least a few good stories.
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Old July 8 2014, 05:33 PM   #2
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Re: Hercules/Xena (Spoilers)

I tried to do this several years ago, but I barely got through the first half of season 1. I suspect it's one of those shows that would eventually get better, but I just wasn't motivated to try.
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Old July 8 2014, 07:53 PM   #3
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I watched them both in the day. Xena eventually became this alternately brilliant, alternately ridiculous, tour de force where a show could be some of the most dramatic, heart-wrenching, mind-boggling, daring arc-based adult drama you've ever seen, and the following week be the silliest, lamest over-the-top sophomoric comedy ever.

Herc was always just kinda dumb, sometimes stupid, occasionally childish, rarely anything that made you think. Unless it was a crossover with Xena's Callisto or Hope arcs, which were downright dire.

Can ya tell I preferred Xena? I highly recommend it for serious fantasy fans. And lesbians.
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Old July 9 2014, 12:29 AM   #4
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I watched both series on TV. Though I was a kid when I watched it, it was quite fun.

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Old July 9 2014, 12:37 AM   #5
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Karl Urban played Cupid in an episode.
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Old July 9 2014, 01:27 AM   #6
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The Festival of Dionysus was a decent, but predictable, episode. It was a pretty standard "jealous prince trys to bring about his father's death to get the throne" story. The blind seer was around again, and he was ok, although I'm hoping we won't see him again, his gimmick has kind of run its course.
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Old July 9 2014, 04:42 AM   #7
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I recently just finished watching Hercules again. I have to say, I found it pretty comical. From Iolas kung fu, to Hercules words of wisdom, and in general the fight choreography, it was a barrel of laughs.

Also, that muscle chicks blacksmithing outfit rocks. I`m pretty sure it`s in the 1st season so you`re in for a treat.

I enjoyed the show, but I think the only thing that actually miffed me was how historically inaccurate it was. I know it`s a fictional show about a mythological hero. But something about seeing 14th century ship designs, and certain technologies kind of irked me.
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Old July 9 2014, 07:21 AM   #8
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When Hercules got shot by some Atlantis crystal energy weapon, and he's almost killed, I realized I was watching the weakest incarnation of the character to have ever been portrayed on television.
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Old July 9 2014, 01:01 PM   #9
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Karl Urban played Cupid in an episode.
One reason I have a hard time taking him seriously.
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Old July 9 2014, 01:08 PM   #10
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I enjoyed the show, but I think the only thing that actually miffed me was how historically inaccurate it was. I know it`s a fictional show about a mythological hero. But something about seeing 14th century ship designs, and certain technologies kind of irked me.
My Herc/Xena timeline, detailing the historical people and events they met or mentioned, and the actual years they existed:
http://www.inpayne.com/charts/xenachrt.jpg
(Spoilers, yeah).
By my reckoning, Xena lived between 1250BC when she met Ulysses, and 60AD when she met Boudicca. I'm trying to ignore the mention of Genghis Khan (1162-1227AD!) in The Debt.
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Old July 9 2014, 04:23 PM   #11
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I used to watch both shows religiously back in the day. I always liked Xena better, but Herc was pretty cool, too.
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Old July 9 2014, 04:26 PM   #12
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^That's pretty much how I feel about it.
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Old July 9 2014, 04:40 PM   #13
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They were both pretty corny shows sometimes, but they never pretended to take themselves seriously. I imagine outtakes could get pretty bawdy.
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Old July 9 2014, 06:02 PM   #14
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Apparently Orci and Kurtzman were showrunners on Hercules. Once I learned that, things about the show started to make a lot more sense...
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Old July 9 2014, 06:15 PM   #15
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Apparently Orci and Kurtzman were showrunners on Hercules. Once I learned that, things about the show started to make a lot more sense...
Apparently, they weren't placed in charge of the show until later, sometime after Sorbo suffered a stroke. I wouldn't be surprised if the show goes down hill after that In the early seasons, I think it would be producer/co-creator Robert Tapert who was in charge.
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