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View Poll Results: Do fans want the prime timeline back?
I'm a fan and I want the Prime timeline back. 208 56.68%
I'm a fan and I don't want the Prime timeline back. 61 16.62%
I'm a fan and wouldn't mind if it came back. 39 10.63%
I don't care, just give me Trek! 53 14.44%
I don't know. 6 1.63%
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Old July 5 2014, 12:25 AM   #1141
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I don't think we will see the Bermanverse back ever again, even if some future production team "says" it is set in the "prime" universe. Any new team will bring their own ideas about Trek, and they should be encouraged to do so. Endless recastings and retellings of classic tales and heroes has been going on for thousands of years.
Of course. I would much prefer one set in the prime universe but not bound by the constraints of what was laid before, but still acknowledging that it exists. Set it on the Enterprise-F or something, twenty or thirty years after the end of Nemesis, so it doesn't seem like it's a spin-off of TNG/DS9 but still acknowledging itself in the universe.

Hell, you could have Picard or Riker as older admirals give the Enterprise her send-off like McCoy did in TNG.
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Old July 5 2014, 02:30 AM   #1142
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Of course. I would much prefer one set in the prime universe but not bound by the constraints of what was laid before, but still acknowledging that it exists. Set it on the Enterprise-F or something, twenty or thirty years after the end of Nemesis, so it doesn't seem like it's a spin-off of TNG/DS9 but still acknowledging itself in the universe.

Hell, you could have Picard or Riker as older admirals give the Enterprise her send-off like McCoy did in TNG.
No more letters and no more callbacks.
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Old July 5 2014, 02:45 AM   #1143
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^Even NuTrek is doing callbacks (Scotty and Porthos, the Mudd incident, Khan, etc.)
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Old July 5 2014, 02:55 AM   #1144
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^Even NuTrek is doing callbacks (Scotty and Porthos, the Mudd incident, Khan, etc.)
Okay? My biggest criticism of the Abrams films are their over reliance on past material*.

*The Mudd Incident is from the current IDW comics overseen by Orci.

I actually thought TNG got the callback pitch perfect. No press beforehand, no names and nothing that impacted the plot of the pilot episode. McCoy represented a nice Easter egg but the pilot episode still stands and falls on its own merits.
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Old July 5 2014, 04:28 AM   #1145
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Of course. I would much prefer one set in the prime universe but not bound by the constraints of what was laid before, but still acknowledging that it exists. Set it on the Enterprise-F or something, twenty or thirty years after the end of Nemesis, so it doesn't seem like it's a spin-off of TNG/DS9 but still acknowledging itself in the universe.

Hell, you could have Picard or Riker as older admirals give the Enterprise her send-off like McCoy did in TNG.
No more letters and no more callbacks.
I disagree with the letters, but what I meant by callbacks was little easter eggs, like you said about McCoy.
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Old July 5 2014, 08:08 AM   #1146
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I'd actually like to see a new series set about 50-60 years after the last DS9, that extrapolates the galactic scene after the events that occurred in DS9, TNG and Voyager. It'd be close enough to that era that it wouldn't be ancient history for the new characters (it'd be like the 1960-1970s history is to say - people living in 2016-2023) but it'd be far enough away that we wouldn't expect to see the same old faces we saw on DS9, TNG and DS9. There's also enough distance in time for the show to change the landscape as far as the balance of power in the galaxy, allies and adversaries, challenges and advances, without a total abandonment of 'Prime trek'. But heck, I'd even go for a Mirror Universe limited run series... of any era.
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Old July 5 2014, 12:15 PM   #1147
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a new perspective(section 31 - political thriller) this would be the largest departure from trek.
That's what I want to see!
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Old July 5 2014, 08:42 PM   #1148
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I don't think we will see the Bermanverse back ever again ...
Mister Berman's return at this point is extremely unlikely. If anything I like to see more of a "return" to the original Roddenberry universe in terms of story ideas. A ship largely off by itself, frequently out of communications, stories about the Human condition, surrounded by a mysterious galaxy that they don't always understand.

A crew of regular joes, not condescending superior beings. Guys who drink coffee on the job and rest their elbows on their consoles.

Don't get me wrong, not a exact copy of TOS.

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Of course. I would much prefer one set in the prime universe but not bound by the constraints of what was laid before ...
This is my idea "universe" as well. The nice thing is, anything about what came before that the production team doesn't want to feature can quite simply be pushed into the extreme background.

They for example don't have to even mention the Cardassians (please don't), the Romulans (please don't), section 31 (please don't), the Borg ...

The Federation at almost any time period was/is going to have vast areas that we the audience never saw and never heard of. We don't need hyper-warp drives or voyages to Andromeda to have stories involving new situations and interesting aliens.

It's really about the abilities of the writers, skills of the actors, and vision of the directors.

Not about the setting.

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Old July 5 2014, 11:12 PM   #1149
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I'm a fan and I'm not seeing my option: I love the Prime Novelverse, and I love the nuVerse movies, and I'm just fine with BOTH continuing for as long as possible. And if they want to bring yet *another* take along in some form, as well, I'll give that a shot, too. But I do care. And then, I loved DC's Elseworlds graphic novels, and The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy for which no two versions were EVER just alike and we LIKED it that way.
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Old July 6 2014, 04:06 AM   #1150
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I love the Prime Novelverse, and I love the nuVerse movies
Did they ever start publishing adult nuVerse novels?

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Old July 6 2014, 06:02 AM   #1151
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The STARGATE TV franchise gave us 10 years of SG-1, plus additional series in ATLANTIS and SGU. That was a 14-year-run in a single continuity. Granted, STARGATE on TV wasn't exactly the same as STAR TREK, but continuity obviously wasn't the problem there; the newer series simply weren't as good as SG-1, so the stories didn't measure up, and the ratings declined.

LAW & ORDER ran for 20 years on NBC, spawning multiple spin-offs. While continuity wasn't perfect, it was mostly contained in the same "universe" with SVU still in production.

Why should continuity be seen as a negative? It's what Hollywood does with a given show, its creative agenda in terms of what stories it wants to tell, that makes a show appealing to an audience. When TOS was on NBC and later in syndication, it was obviously known for its commentary. It seemed that, with each new series, and especially the reboot, STAR TREK has become less oriented toward commentary and more toward action-adventure/explosions and further away from commentary. It seems, more and more, that Hollywood wants to milk TREK as a cash cow but also shy away from its roots.

There's nothing wrong, in theory, to remaking/rebooting TOS but if you're unhappy with the kind of storytelling that TOS started to do then why remake/reboot TREK at all?

For decades, soap operas have thrived on American daytime television, frequently producing years and years of episodes, five days a week, in a single show's continuity. It works. It's profitable. I doubt you would often hear anyone saying, "Let's cancel this soap, wait a few years, and reboot it with all-new cast and unrelated stories under the same name. The audience will think its fresh!" Seems unlikely. It seems more likely that a network/studio would cancel an old soap and replace it with an entirely new one that has no ties to the original.

If you think the daytime soap opera analogy is inapplicable to a dramatic TV franchise like TREK, guess again: DALLAS and KNOT'S LANDING were on CBS spanning multiple decades, DALLAS starting in the late 1970s, both on through the 80's and clear into the 1990s. They commanded a large audience, even through creative stumbles, and never jettisoned their continuity.

That's not to say that continuity is always precious and never to be challenged in any way. Actually, VOYAGER had the opportunity to renew the STAR TREK universe and the VOY makers obviously screwed it up. Starship Voyager was supposed to stumble into a trap that teleported both the Voyager and its Maquis adversaries across the Galaxy, where no familiar faces or past storylines ever to be seen, right? Well, then we see Voyager doing battle with the ill-conceived Kazon (who cares?) and when that didn't work, it's time to bring on the Borg! And we even wound up seeing the Ferengi from TNG's "The Price". (You remember the Ferengi from "The Price", don't you? Nah, neither did I.) So, what good did it do to show Voyager being snatched clear across the Galaxy in the first place? If VOY was supposed to represent an attempt to refresh the TREK universe by plucking a starship out of familiar space and showing it in an unknown void, they should've sent the ship to a completely different galaxy with no hope of ever returning home. Then you'd have to start over with a clean sheet of paper.

And what did the JJverse give us? A reboot of TOS, with a tattooed Romulan nemesis. This represents a "new" continuity? Looks like a new and improved VOY instead.

If continuity is such a bad word, wouldn't it be better to reboot STAR TREK with a completely clean sheet of paper? If Hollywood can't do that, then there really isn't anything wrong with the Prime Universe in the first place. It all depends on what a creative team wants to do with that Prime Universe. So far, none of the spin-off series or movies exhibited any coherent creative agenda that took the franchise, comprehensively, in a specific direction. Direction is what is needed, not repudiation.
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Old July 6 2014, 09:06 AM   #1152
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I'm a fan and I'm not seeing my option: I love the Prime Novelverse, and I love the nuVerse movies, and I'm just fine with BOTH continuing for as long as possible. And if they want to bring yet *another* take along in some form, as well, I'll give that a shot, too.
It sounds like the third option is your choice.
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Old July 6 2014, 10:48 AM   #1153
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I'm a fan and I'm not seeing my option: I love the Prime Novelverse, and I love the nuVerse movies, and I'm just fine with BOTH continuing for as long as possible. And if they want to bring yet *another* take along in some form, as well, I'll give that a shot, too.
It sounds like the third option is your choice.
No, because it's more than "I wouldn't mind". I WANT the Prime Timeline back. I just want to see where the nuVerse goes, TOO.
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Old July 6 2014, 03:14 PM   #1154
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It seems, more and more, that Hollywood wants to milk TREK as a cash cow but also shy away from its roots.
I'd argue the Abrams films are the closest we've been to the roots of Star Trek since Star Trek III: The Search for Spock released in 1984.
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Old July 6 2014, 09:05 PM   #1155
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^ Probably true, but the movies had already started straying before that.
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