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Old June 20 2014, 06:04 AM   #1
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Looks like Netflix is interested in making a New Star Trek Show

It seems like Netflix wants to make a Star Trek series. They have some offers to CBS, but CBS has not taken up Netflix on these offers, so far. Perhaps that might change in the future, if the Marvel shows are successful on Netflix.

http://www.mstarz.com/articles/32330...-depending.htm
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Old June 20 2014, 06:41 AM   #2
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Re: Looks like Netflix is interested in making a New Star Trek Show

This was already posted and debunked:

http://larrynemecek.blogspot.co.uk/2...tflix-cbs.html
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Old June 24 2014, 12:37 AM   #3
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This was already posted and debunked:

http://larrynemecek.blogspot.co.uk/2...tflix-cbs.html
Actually, the Mstarz article uses that exact post on Mr. Nemecek's blog as its source:

"As we know by now, Netflix has changed the TV/media landscape yet again by becoming a platform of clout with original shows like House of Cards and Orange Is the New Black-popular not only with fans, but critics...and now the award shows. It's in Netflix's interest to be casting about for new shows-including those from known franchises. I understand Star Trek is one of them-especially as Trek's 737 hours of "reruns" performs as a top draw ON Netflix. As I understand it, there have been overtures. But none taken. So far."
Now, from CBS' perspective, the fact that existing Star Trek is a top draw on Netflix is probably more incentive to continue on to remastering Deep Space Nine and Voyager after the completion of TNG HD than to shell out even more money on a new show (in addition to their remastering efforts).

Even then, after the remastering effort is over, CBS could probably still keep making money by just licensing their existing stuff. There is almost no incentive for CBS to make a new series unless Netflix is willing to pay for it... which will probably never happen.
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Old June 24 2014, 02:05 AM   #4
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Re: Looks like Netflix is interested in making a New Star Trek Show

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Now, from CBS' perspective, the fact that existing Star Trek is a top draw on Netflix is probably more incentive to continue on to remastering Deep Space Nine and Voyager after the completion of TNG HD than to shell out even more money on a new show (in addition to their remastering efforts).
It seems like a remastering of DS9 is not on tap after TNG. At least, not immediately.
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Old June 24 2014, 02:27 PM   #5
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Re: Looks like Netflix is interested in making a New Star Trek Show

Netflix does not even have TNG in HD, whereas Hulu has Season 1 and 2 in HD, and Amazon has seasons 1-5 in HD.
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Old June 24 2014, 06:39 PM   #6
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Even then, after the remastering effort is over, CBS could probably still keep making money by just licensing their existing stuff. There is almost no incentive for CBS to make a new series unless Netflix is willing to pay for it... which will probably never happen.
Netflix does pay for its original content (http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...ginal-sho.aspx). I'm unsure how they've handled new seasons of established shows (such as Arrested Development), but I'd imagine the costs would be split between Netflix and CBS, if Netflix were to ever create a new Trek show.
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Old June 24 2014, 11:21 PM   #7
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Re: Looks like Netflix is interested in making a New Star Trek Show

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Even then, after the remastering effort is over, CBS could probably still keep making money by just licensing their existing stuff. There is almost no incentive for CBS to make a new series unless Netflix is willing to pay for it... which will probably never happen.
Netflix does pay for its original content (http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...ginal-sho.aspx). I'm unsure how they've handled new seasons of established shows (such as Arrested Development), but I'd imagine the costs would be split between Netflix and CBS, if Netflix were to ever create a new Trek show.
An issue would likely be who would own the new show. I can't see CBS wanting to split ownership of it (and future licensing rights) with someone else. That doesn't mean a new show can't air on Netflix like previous ones, but they'd probably get far less out of producing a new one than CBS will, IMO...
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Old June 25 2014, 02:33 PM   #8
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Even then, after the remastering effort is over, CBS could probably still keep making money by just licensing their existing stuff. There is almost no incentive for CBS to make a new series unless Netflix is willing to pay for it... which will probably never happen.
Netflix does pay for its original content (http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...ginal-sho.aspx). I'm unsure how they've handled new seasons of established shows (such as Arrested Development), but I'd imagine the costs would be split between Netflix and CBS, if Netflix were to ever create a new Trek show.
An issue would likely be who would own the new show. I can't see CBS wanting to split ownership of it (and future licensing rights) with someone else. That doesn't mean a new show can't air on Netflix like previous ones, but they'd probably get far less out of producing a new one than CBS will, IMO...
CBS owns the show completely, there will never ever be in co-owning or any thing like that. Netflix would be paying for broadcast (streaming) rights. It a question of how much they can get from Netflix for those rights to help offset production costs.

This scenario does give CBS more of an incentive to make a Star Trek show for 2 reasons.

- Broadcast outlet, they can never have a Star Trek show on CBS it's self because the rating expectation is way to high and the show would get crushed, of there own networks the CW is an option and some possible cable networks.

- COST!!, as mentioned above getting licensing fees from a channel CBS does not own will help offset production costs.
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Old June 25 2014, 09:52 PM   #9
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Netflix does pay for its original content (http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...ginal-sho.aspx). I'm unsure how they've handled new seasons of established shows (such as Arrested Development), but I'd imagine the costs would be split between Netflix and CBS, if Netflix were to ever create a new Trek show.
An issue would likely be who would own the new show. I can't see CBS wanting to split ownership of it (and future licensing rights) with someone else. That doesn't mean a new show can't air on Netflix like previous ones, but they'd probably get far less out of producing a new one than CBS will, IMO...
CBS owns the show completely, there will never ever be in co-owning or any thing like that.
Which is why I said "I can't see CBS wanting to split ownership of it..."
Netflix would be paying for broadcast (streaming) rights. It a question of how much they can get from Netflix for those rights to help offset production costs.
Probably not enough to actually do so, IMO. Such a deal would benefit CBS more than Netflix. Netflix would be better off not being involved in the actual production of the show and simply be an outlet for it.
This scenario does give CBS more of an incentive to make a Star Trek show for 2 reasons.

- Broadcast outlet, they can never have a Star Trek show on CBS it's self because the rating expectation is way to high and the show would get crushed, of there own networks the CW is an option and some possible cable networks.

- COST!!, as mentioned above getting licensing fees from a channel CBS does not own will help offset production costs.


The CBS Television Network just doesn't need a new Trek series. That wasn't the case with the former Paramount Television back in the '80s and '90s, which is why we got TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT.

I think the odds of a new Trek series on the CW are kind of slim unless it can be made relatively inexpensively and can be targeted mostly towards teens/young adults, it's key demographic.

Cable is a viable option for a new Trek show, IMO, especially in a case of a cable network just having a broadcasting agreement to air it, but CBS Studios being the one that produces and fully owns it.
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Old June 26 2014, 09:47 PM   #10
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Baffling that a new show doesnt come out. So many fans want this.

Someone needs to be broken off.
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Old July 1 2014, 02:27 AM   #11
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Re: Looks like Netflix is interested in making a New Star Trek Show

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Baffling that a new show doesnt come out. So many fans want this.

Someone needs to be broken off.
The fans that want it are a rounding error compared to what is needed to make the show profitable.
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Old July 1 2014, 03:59 AM   #12
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Re: Looks like Netflix is interested in making a New Star Trek Show

The CBS Television Network just doesn't need a new Trek series. That wasn't the case with the former Paramount Television back in the '80s and '90s, which is why we got TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT.

I think the odds of a new Trek series on the CW are kind of slim unless it can be made relatively inexpensively and can be targeted mostly towards teens/young adults, it's key demographic.

Cable is a viable option for a new Trek show, IMO, especially in a case of a cable network just having a broadcasting agreement to air it, but CBS Studios being the one that produces and fully owns it.


Good point about the difference between CBS/Paramount. UPN was a fledgling network that relied on Star Trek as its flagship series. Paramount kept pushing Berman and Co to make more Trek and they wanted to play it safe by trying to clone TNG which was a huge success. So we wound up with VOY which promptly dumped its premise and became TNG lite and ENT which did the same thing for 2 seasons until the threat of cancellation made them desperately change things up.

As for the odds of a new Trek series... It will happen eventually the franchise is too much of a cash cow to ignore forever. But, I think CBS is happy raking it in on Blu Ray sales and other merchandise right now and they probably don't want to compete or conflict with the new movies. Its hard to say what will happen after the next movie. Everything seems to point to it being the last in the series.
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Old July 3 2014, 06:33 AM   #13
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The fan made "Shows" on youtube are a lot better then anything a network or netflixs could make. someone should just throw some money at one of them and bring there casts and writers to Tv or netflixs
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Old July 4 2014, 05:41 PM   #14
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I think the odds of a new Trek series on the CW are kind of slim unless it can be made relatively inexpensively and can be targeted mostly towards teens/young adults, it's key demographic.
Said show could be a Starfleet Academy show, or just a show with a young crew (captain late '20's, early '30's rest of crew following suit and being in their mid to late 20's, early 30's) much like the current Star Trek movies.
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Old July 4 2014, 08:31 PM   #15
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I think the odds of a new Trek series on the CW are kind of slim unless it can be made relatively inexpensively and can be targeted mostly towards teens/young adults, it's key demographic.
Said show could be a Starfleet Academy show, or just a show with a young crew (captain late '20's, early '30's rest of crew following suit and being in their mid to late 20's, early 30's) much like the current Star Trek movies.
I think such show would more likely be a teenage drama probably closer in spirit to CTV's Degrassi, except set at Starfleet Academy rather than a high school.
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