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Old June 8 2014, 12:36 AM   #871
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Does anyone know how many of Wise's films had overtures?
I don't know, but his other big '60s road show, The Sand Pebbles, has a very nice Jerry Goldsmith overture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=uHKwg1uVOCk
Hmm. Sort of a forerunner to the Asian-style sounds Goldsmith used in his Rambo and Gremlins soundtracks.


Keep in mind that the film was made at a time of low-yield weapons and small nuclear arsenals, before the Soviets even had an intercontinental-range bomber. And also at an early point in the understanding of radiation's biological effects. People were still using X-ray machines in shoe stores in 1951, and US service members were being assembled in large numbers to witness nuclear tests, unprotected.
Okay, maybe. But it just shows how naive people were about nuclear weapons at the time, so naturally it hasn't aged well.


Even so, the movie has had some reappraisals that don't dismiss it completely, including one in The Atlantic a few years ago:
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...d-cover/68776/
Hmm, interesting. So maybe the advice wasn't completely absurd. But the presentation, even if it was meant to avoid panicking the viewers, still feels like it's sugar-coating things and painting a dishonestly rosy picture.
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Old June 8 2014, 04:53 PM   #872
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I just saw Sleeper, the 1973 Woody Allen movie where he plays a guy who wakes up in 2173 after having been cryogenically frozen. I enjoyed it. It was played for comedy rather than scifi and that comedy ranged from silly to mildly amusing to laugh-out-loud funny. The social commentary was pretty decent. We got to see an overly regulated world where people lost some self-sufficiency due to too much convenience and comfort, something that's happening now. There was also a sex machine that was part gag and part commentary on how passion and human interaction has been lost. Then there was the underground movement that was trying to fight the system. The whole movie was reminiscent of Demolition Man. It even had it's Sandra Bullock in the form of a character named Luna, who I thought was quite the looker. To my surprise, she was played by Diane Keaton. I've never seen her in her younger years. She also reminded me of someone who I couldn't place. Then I realized it was Natalie Zea. I thought this was some of her best acting. She played someone who fit right into this future culture quite well and then hammed it up pretty good when things went in that direction.
Another interesting thing... While Demolition Man had Taco Bell, Sleeper used McDonald's. So many parallels. I'm looking to see if Demolition Man was inspired by Sleeper but I can't find anything.
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Old June 8 2014, 05:06 PM   #873
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Probably just convergent evolution -- two films trying to do the same sort of thing (depict a comically dystopian future in this case) are likely to come up with some of the same ideas.
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Old June 23 2014, 01:27 AM   #874
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Perry Mason and The Case of the Giant Lizard is on right now....
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Old June 23 2014, 09:37 AM   #875
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Old June 27 2014, 07:11 PM   #876
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Just finished Pretty Maids All in a Row. It's exactly the kind of movie I would've expected Gene Roddenberry to write and produce given completely free rein -- totally obsessed with sex and the female body from beginning to end, and finally including the (relatively) full nudity that I bet he wished he could get away with on TV. It's very much a product of its time -- today there's probably no way a movie about a sexual-predator high-school teacher seducing his underage students could be played as a comedy, even a dark one. At least not one that painted him so sympathetically. It's trying to be about the sexual revolution, the way that the young generation doesn't have the sexual inhibitions of the old, but director Roger Vadim and Roddenberry seemed to interpret female sexual liberation mostly to mean that hot young girls were now happy to participate in being sexually objectified for men's gratification.

Rock Hudson was his usual Rock Hudsony self for the most part, even though he was ultimately playing against his usual type. Telly Savalas did a good job as the homicide detective, two years before he first played Kojak. Keenan Wynn did a decent job as a really stupid local cop. Roddy McDowall was a bit wasted as a feckless principal, but I guess my inclination thanks to Lord Love a Duck is to expect him to be the featured psychopath in a dark high-school comedy. Angie Dickinson was okay as the main romantic interest, but since she didn't really have much of a character beyond being a sex object, I can't say that much about her. And John David Carson, who was nominally the sympathetic male lead as a sexually frustrated and shy teenager, was really kind of creepy and stalkerish, even more so than the guy who turned out to be the murderer.

There were some familiar Star Trek faces here: James Doohan and William Campbell played Savalas's police underlings, and frequent Trek voiceover actor Bartell LaRue had an uncredited role as an newscaster (one that IMDb hasn't caught onto yet, but I recognized his face and voice). Roddenberry also brought Trek costume designer William Ware Theiss onboard the production. Although the most pleasant surprise for me was a supporting role for the stunning JoAnna Cameron, later to play the superheroine Isis on a Saturday morning show infinitely more wholesome than this movie. I have to admit to being very disappointed that she wasn't one of the actresses who had nude scenes in the movie, although she certainly showed off her spectacular legs to good effect.

Surprisingly, TCM host Ben Mankiewicz's introduction and afterword made absolutely no mention of Roddenberry's involvement in this film. You'd think it would merit at least a footnote, given that it's Roddenberry's first feature film and the only non-Trek feature he was ever involved with.
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Old June 27 2014, 07:33 PM   #877
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It really did seem to have what you would think of as the mark of Roddenberry on it. I felt like the message kind of alluded me though, it really seemed like it was trying to say something but I'm not sure what that is.
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Old June 27 2014, 07:58 PM   #878
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It really did seem to have what you would think of as the mark of Roddenberry on it. I felt like the message kind of alluded me though, it really seemed like it was trying to say something but I'm not sure what that is.
I don't think there was much of a message. As a black comedy, it was pretty much satisfied with rewarding characters' bad behavior.

I was more puzzled by how the plot played out in the final act.
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Old June 28 2014, 06:01 AM   #879
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Just saw Pretty Maids All in a Row as well. I thought it was pretty risqué for 1971, yet tame in other ways since there were certain things you couldn't show back then. A teenage boy in the bathroom after some alone time with the hot teacher? Better have him counting sheep.

I liked the sexual nature of the movie but you're right Christopher, it does have a narrow view of sexual liberation. Some guys think that a liberated world would involve hot girls being more willing to make a move but in reality, it would also mean 300-pound men in chaps flaunting it and middle aged ladies going topless, and I don't think that the young male crowd would want that.

I also saw a bit of Gene in something besides the sexual stuff. It was when Tiger was making a recording of how kids should learn as well as society in general. There was some of that modern Trek idealism in there.

A few more fun facts and observations...

- Telly Savalas had a small role but he was fantastic. He really had charisma and was probably the only thing that could distract me from the constant non-stop sex. Telly Savalas and sex. A good combo. That way, something always has your attention.

- A student going to the guidance counsellor to talk about sex? I could never imagine such a thing when I was in high school.

- A lot of the people involved in this movie are either dead or retired including John David Carson, who played the kid. He died in 2009.

- As the closing credits were rolling, I noticed the name "Dawn Roddenberry". I looked her up and she's Gene's daughter. She played "Girl #1". She's currently 60. I didn't know he had a daughter.

- JoAnna Cameron does indeed have a captivating beauty. And yes, those legs... She kind of reminded me of Peyton List. Actually, a lot of the girls reminded me of Peyton List. They just had that look.

- JoAnna Cameron retired from acting. Oddly enough, her last acting role was in a movie called Swan Song. I looked into why she no longer acts and found the following which might be worth looking into...

I'm getting in here late but here is another possible theory as to why JoAnna Cameron didn't get more roles. I can't figure out which book it is looking around on the internet but there is a book either by Gene Roddenberry, or about Gene Roddenberry, in which there is info about a film called Pretty Maids All in a Row (1971), for which Roddenberry wrote the script. Rodenberry wrote the script, it seems, so that every actress that got a role as a "pretty maid" also had a nude scene. Apparently all the actresses agreed and did their nude scenes except one, who backed out on the day the nude scene was to be shot and after there had already been a lot of footage shot of her, so it wasn't worth replacing her. As a result, according to this book, contracts for films requiring nudity were rewritten in the industry so that it was clear the actor or actress had agreed to do nudity. The actress that backed out is never identified in the book, but if you watch the movie, or see the Playboy pictorial published at the release of the film, it seems JoAnna was the only actress with a fairly major role who did no nudity. - Source
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Just saw Pretty Maids All in a Row as well. I thought it was pretty risqué for 1971, yet tame in other ways since there were certain things you couldn't show back then. A teenage boy in the bathroom after some alone time with the hot teacher? Better have him counting sheep.
In retrospect, I'm surprised it didn't have a group nude scene in the girls' shower, or any kind of voyeurism scene, like a number of sex comedies from later years. But this was, I gather, one of the first MPAA-era American movies with nudity, so maybe certain tropes hadn't emerged yet.


I also saw a bit of Gene in something besides the sexual stuff. It was when Tiger was making a recording of how kids should learn as well as society in general. There was some of that modern Trek idealism in there.
Well, aside from the part about how it seemed we were inexorably racing toward Armageddon. But yeah, maybe somewhat.

Mostly, though, I think that aside from
Tiger may have been the closest thing we've ever seen to a self-portrait of Gene Roddenberry -- totally in love with his wife and kid, yet able to effortlessly attract other women and not hesitating to take advantage of the fact as often as he could, and seeing no conflict there.


- JoAnna Cameron retired from acting. Oddly enough, her last acting role was in a movie called Swan Song. I looked into why she no longer acts and found the following which might be worth looking into...

I'm getting in here late but here is another possible theory as to why JoAnna Cameron didn't get more roles. I can't figure out which book it is looking around on the internet but there is a book either by Gene Roddenberry, or about Gene Roddenberry, in which there is info about a film called Pretty Maids All in a Row (1971), for which Roddenberry wrote the script. Rodenberry wrote the script, it seems, so that every actress that got a role as a "pretty maid" also had a nude scene. Apparently all the actresses agreed and did their nude scenes except one, who backed out on the day the nude scene was to be shot and after there had already been a lot of footage shot of her, so it wasn't worth replacing her. As a result, according to this book, contracts for films requiring nudity were rewritten in the industry so that it was clear the actor or actress had agreed to do nudity. The actress that backed out is never identified in the book, but if you watch the movie, or see the Playboy pictorial published at the release of the film, it seems JoAnna was the only actress with a fairly major role who did no nudity. - Source
I'm not sure I buy that. There were eight actresses listed in the opening credits as "The Pretty Maids," and only five of them had nude scenes, sometimes quite brief (Aimée Eccles is only seen from the side/rear for about five seconds). Although I guess it's possible that a couple of nude scenes were filmed but edited out for time. (I'm not counting Angie Dickinson's seminude scene face down on the bed or Barbara Leigh's bare-backed chessboard scene, since we're talking specifically about the "Maids.")

Anyway, I don't see how that would've influenced Cameron's retirement from acting, for it was only 2 years into her 11-year acting career and she did a lot more work after this movie than before it (most notably Isis). And it's interesting to note that she co-starred with Rock Hudson again in a 1977 McMillan & Wife episode.
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Old June 28 2014, 05:19 PM   #881
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Tiger may have been the closest thing we've ever seen to a self-portrait of Gene Roddenberry -- totally in love with his wife and kid, yet able to effortlessly attract other women and not hesitating to take advantage of the fact as often as he could, and seeing no conflict there.
Interesting. I didn't know that Gene had gone that far on a regular basis.

As for JoAnna Cameron, I was reading some other stuff last night that suggests that perhaps the 'casting couch' aspect of Hollywood eventually got to her and she left. Maybe that's more speculation though. The other theory I read is that she got typecast. As what? How? Don't know. People fall out of acting for a number of reasons, so who knows what happened.
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Old June 29 2014, 03:39 AM   #882
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July schedule:

WED 7/2 - THU 7/3: It's a "Talk to the Animals" theme night.
8:00 PM: Francis (1950): Aka Francis the Talking Mule.
9:45 PM: Doctor Dolittle ('67)
12:30 AM: The Day of the Dolphin ('73): Mike Nichols film with George C. Scott and Paul Sorvino, scripted by Buck Henry.
2:30 AM: Black Moon ('75): Some kind of weird surrealist French thing directed by Louis Malle.
4:30 AM: The Raven ('63): Roger Corman's horror-comedy take on the Poe poem, with Vincent Price, Peter Lorre, and Boris Karloff.

THU 7/3
12:45 PM: Village of the Damned ('61)
6:00 PM: The Picture of Dorian Gray ('45): With a young Angela Lansbury!

SAT 7/5
Noon: Attack of the 50 Foot Woman ('58)

SUN 7/6: Harryhausen double feature!
8:00 PM: Jason and the Argonauts ('63)
10:00 PM: The 7th Voyage of Sinbad ('58)

SAT 7/12
Noon: Queen of Outer Space ('58)

TUE 7/15
11:15 PM: Sinbad the Sailor ('47): With Douglas Fairbanks. Not really any genre elements, aside from Sinbad being a mythological character.

SAT 7/19
Noon: The Wasp Woman ('59)

SUN 7/20
2:00 AM: The Visitor ('79): Arty film about cosmic forces of good and evil battling over a telekinetic girl. WIth Mel Ferrer, Glenn Ford, John Huston, and a young Lance Henriksen -- plus Sam Peckinpah and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar?
3:45 AM: Tentacles ('77): John Huston, Shelley Winters, and Henry Fonda vs. a man-eating giant octopus.

MON 7/21
2:00 AM: World on a Wire ('73): Originally Welt am Draht, an obscure early VR-themed film made for television by Rainer Werner Fassbinder. Sounds a bit Matrix-y in concept.

SAT 7/26
Noon: Valley of the Dragons ('61): They've shown this one before, a B-movie taking the premise of a Jules Verne story about people being transported to a comet and using it to set up an iguanas-as-dinosaurs movie.
6:00 PM: King Solomon's Mines ('50)
8:00 PM: Metropolis ('26)

SUN 7/27
12:45 AM: The Mummy ('32): Karloff!
8:00 PM: Cat People ('42)
9:30 PM: Curse of the Cat People ('44): Which I gather is not a sequel or even a horror film, despite the title.

MON 7/28
11:45 PM: The Seventh Seal ('57): Ingmar Bergman movie about chess or something...
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Old June 30 2014, 04:47 AM   #883
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Thanks again for posting this. Some annotations:

The Raven: Obligatory shout-out to Richard Matheson, who wrote the script. Fun movie.

Curse of the Cat People: Worth checking out, although it is only tenuously connected to the original movie and involves no supernatural cat people whatsoever. If you're expecting a sequel to Cat People, you'll be disappointed, but if you ignore the title, it's a fascinating and poetic look at childhood. Also, I believe, the directorial debut of Robert Wise, who later went on to direct The Day the Earth Stood Still, The Andromeda Strain, The Haunting, The Sound of Music, West Side Story, and, of course, Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
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Old June 30 2014, 09:21 AM   #884
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Hmm. Mostly stuff they've shown before, and not too long ago. There's a couple of things from the late 70s that don't sound familiar, oddly enough, and the French surrealist one might be interesting.

I missed Pretty Maids All In A Row, but, fortunately, it's on On Demand.
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Queen of Outer Space is a fun piece of fluff. From the uniforms and costumes pinched from Forbidden Planet to all the 50's gams and pulchritude on display. It all looks absolutely fantastic in widescreen Cinemascope HD on TCM.

It at least acknowledges that it's scientifically inaccurate in its depiction of Venus. As with all these women-only movies you wonder why these ladies would ever want the pigs they're offered, I guess when you're the only men in the world you have some leverage. The commander and doctor aren't bad but the two crewmen ("Watch it, doll!") are pretty bad though it seems that's perhaps done with a knowing wink.

Marvel at the giant spider (which honestly is done as well as any from that era), the surprisingly nasty charred remains of the queen after she's disposed and more (did I mention all those 50's legs on display?). I thought Zsa Zsa was wasted as the love interest, she should've been the mean queen for sure. There's also a "televiewer" that looks remarkably like a very stylish modern bezelless HDTV (painted gold...).

All in all a lot of good silly retro fun.
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