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Old June 27 2014, 06:23 PM   #76
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It wasn't trying to be faithful to Roddenberry's vision (or Berman and Braga's), if that's what you're asking.
I'd say it wasn't trying to be faithful to Roddenberry's vision circa 1987. But I think it was pretty faithful to his vision circa 1966.
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Old June 27 2014, 06:25 PM   #77
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It wasn't trying to be faithful to Roddenberry's vision (or Berman and Braga's), if that's what you're asking.
I'd say it wasn't trying to be faithful to Roddenberry's vision circa 1987. But I think it was pretty faithful to his vision circa 1966.
Agreed.
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Old June 27 2014, 06:28 PM   #78
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A character named Captain Kirk who is significantly different than the character previously seen, Check.
Who is ten years younger than when we see his prime universe counterpart. Check.


A character named Spock who make little attempt to control his emotions and who is openly engaging in a sexual affair with a junior officer. Check.
Who is also younger than his prime universe counterpart. Check. Who also, apparently, had a fling with a human woman in the late-2250's. Check. Who also was a bit more open with his emotions when he was younger. Check.



You were saying?
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Old June 27 2014, 06:44 PM   #79
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A character named Captain Kirk who is significantly different than the character previously seen, Check.
Who is ten years younger than when we see his prime universe counterpart. Check.
And who has lived a very different life. Kind of a Picard/Shinzon thing, though much less extreme.
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Old June 27 2014, 06:57 PM   #80
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A character named Captain Kirk who is significantly different than the character previously seen, Check.
Who is ten years younger than when we see his prime universe counterpart. Check.
And who has lived a very different life. Kind of a Picard/Shinzon thing, though much less extreme.
Nail on the head. Regardless of it's sci fi trappings, TOS always had am old-school hero adventure thing going on as well, and that was always an important part of the series, it was colorful and a bit mad in parts, for me, despite it's faults with some of the writing in the 2 movies, I think JJ Trek has captured that side of it perfectly. The movies have a slight screwbally energy to them that captures TOS in ways I didn't think they would.

Yes they are big-budget action movies, but I see that as the icing on the cake rather than a shame. We've had tons of slow, talky outings, I've secretly always wanted to see Trek given this treatment, even if it is just for a few movies.

Old Trek was on it's arse, it was time for something new for a while, and this comes from an absolutely massive fan of The Motion Picture for crying out loud!

It's breathed new life into an ailing franchise - I know loads of people who have never watched a second of Trek who havd loved the new movies - surely that's a good thing? We can't all stay in this little gang getting old on our own can we?
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Old June 27 2014, 07:00 PM   #81
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I understood that, Kirk and cia will find something hostile in deep space. What does this mean? Will they be alone in space? Will they be in Federation frontier, without other resource, station or ships?

They could create CGI new alien/creatures more powerful, you had already seen.

Then, in this case, Orci could be inclined to think in another alien, not Klingons, not Romulans. How about Gorns?
I Like Gorns. They are hostile, powerful, faster, and totally against Federation and humans.

But McCoy in STID said something about delivering some gorns babies. It sounded rather strange.
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Old June 27 2014, 07:04 PM   #82
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But McCoy in STID said something about delivering some gorns babies. It sounded rather strange.
A nod to Star Trek: The Video Game.
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Old June 27 2014, 08:01 PM   #83
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But McCoy in STID said something about delivering some gorns babies. It sounded rather strange.
A nod to Star Trek: The Video Game.
Never played, very likely never will, but I will always be grateful for it as it gave us the wonderful Shat vs. Classic Gorn commercial.
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Old June 27 2014, 08:10 PM   #84
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But McCoy in STID said something about delivering some gorns babies. It sounded rather strange.
A nod to Star Trek: The Video Game.
Never played, very likely never will, but I will always be grateful for it as it gave us the wonderful Shat vs. Classic Gorn commercial.
It's worth a try if you can get it real cheap. Just don't pay sixty bucks for it like I did!

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Old June 27 2014, 08:17 PM   #85
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Let's see ...

Captain Kirk? check.
Mister Spock? check.
A ship called Enterprise? check.
Let's see ...

A character named Captain Kirk who is significantly different than the character previously seen, Check.

A character named Spock who make little attempt to control his emotions and who is openly engaging in a sexual affair with a junior officer. Check.

A ship called Enterprise. Check.

I don't even think Kirk is that particularly different than TOS Kirk in basic traits, just how they're emphasized and how fast they are developed is different. Both Kirk's are cock-sure of themselves. Both like to charm the ladies. Both are incredibly intelligent and fast thinking. Both have a personal moral compass that drives them. Both can chafe at authority. Both are brave. Both can be glib. Both are leaders, though one is more well-formed than the other because he's ten years older. Both rush in where angels fear to tread. Both are physical and won't duck a fight. There are probably even more comparisons that are apt, but that's enough.

I think the writers said they were most scared writing for Kirk, but captured his essence and at least made me believe that was Jim Kirk and he was doing what any Jim Kirk would've done living in the same circumstances.

As far as Spock goes, his planet of six billion people was destroyed in ST09, and he controlled his emotions very well until Kirk finally pulled them out of him. Remember, it's Kirk himself in TWOK who said that of all the souls he encountered, Spock's was the most human. And as far as his other outbursts go, they're well within the parameters of Spock Prime, especially the young Spock. (Once more, with feeling, "The women!") In TUC, Spock was so disgusted with Valeris at the end that he essentially mind-raped her. That wasn't being in very good control of his emotions, either.

About the Spock and Uhura relationship, at least on screen, we have no idea if it's gotten as far sex, especially while they were at the academy.

Edited to add: Never saw that commercial. Hilarious!
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Old June 27 2014, 08:49 PM   #86
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And he smacked the phaser out of her hand with quite a lot of force, he seemed mega pissed then!
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Old June 28 2014, 12:57 PM   #87
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No rerouting of the phaser banks main plasma conduits through the power couplings of the shield emitters. Check.
No reversing of the polarity of anything. Check.
No bombardment of the USS Vengeance EPS manifolds with anti-tachnyon radiation. Check.
No alignment of phase inducers with the computer matrices of the universal translator. Check.
No rotating shield frequencies at 6 ms intervals. Check.
No chroniton flux outside of normal parameters. Check.

Not Star Trek.



To everyone who claims STID is Star Trek, admit that in real Star Trek the Vengeance would have been defeated in a couple of minutes after a clever application of a combination of those, and the Enterprise and San Francisco would have been unscathed.
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Old June 28 2014, 12:59 PM   #88
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No rerouting of the phaser banks main plasma conduits through the power couplings of the shield emitters. Check.
No reversing of the polarity of anything. Check.
No bombardment of the USS Vengeance EPS manifolds with anti-tachnyon radiation. Check.
No alignment of phase inducers with the computer matrices of the universal translator. Check.
No rotating shield frequencies at 6 ms intervals. Check.
No chroniton flux outside of normal parameters. Check.

Not Star Trek.



To everyone who claims STID is Star Trek, admit that in real Star Trek the Vengeance would have been defeated in a couple of minutes after a clever application of a combination of those, and the Enterprise and San Francisco would have been unscathed.
And the majority of us would've been asleep!
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Old June 28 2014, 01:08 PM   #89
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And the majority of us would've been asleep!
Yeah, and what will I use to put me sleep now? I'll have to go back to counting sheep. You know that's the dictionary definition of torture.



Unless... Oh my god... Sheep with polarized tricyclic parabolic deflector dishes on their heads...
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Old June 28 2014, 02:00 PM   #90
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...To everyone who claims STID is Star Trek, admit that in real Star Trek...
I really wish we could desist from using the phrase "real Star Trek".
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