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Old June 19 2014, 10:40 PM   #76
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Re: Could a Kickstarter Campaign Help Start a New Series?

Paramount's biggest mistake was expecting Star Trek to be its main anchor show for the network without a second strong anchor available.
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Old June 19 2014, 11:29 PM   #77
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Paramount even wanting to start their own network on Free T.V. suggests to me a lack of forward thinking, altogether. Relying on STAR TREK was very secondary to that, in my opinion. The sort of traditional relationship between television and viewership was beginning to change, even then.
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Old June 25 2014, 04:37 PM   #78
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The once impossibly beautiful Sean Young from BLADE RUNNER even found herself in these Fan-Films, because she's long in the tooth, now.
I'm sure there are other reasons - William Shatner and Jonathan Frakes are both older and less attractive than Young, and neither of them have done one yet.
Sean Young found herself in this situation because she did stupid things (think Katherine Heigl-level stupid) when she was a hot young thing, and her career suffered for it.
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Old June 25 2014, 06:17 PM   #79
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Sean Young found herself in this situation because she did stupid things (think Katherine Heigl-level stupid) ...
A bit too obscure a reference, could you be clearer?



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Old June 26 2014, 04:23 AM   #80
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A bit too obscure a reference, could you be clearer?
What the Hell Happened to Sean Young?
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Old June 26 2014, 10:58 PM   #81
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What better time to start a new series than now? I mean with Russia trying to ban the U.S. from the I.S.S. which means Russia could operated independently while the U.S. section could not would create a very dramatic climate for a few t.v. episodes.

I mean who wants to watch reruns of Castle and NCIS every night?

Haven't seen the entire series yet of these two shows? Buy the DVD version because we need to move onto something more interesting and bold.
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Old July 1 2014, 04:33 AM   #82
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What interesting is a Star Trek series will never survive on the CBS network, the rating expectations are just way to high it could never work. CBS would have to make the show and put it on a cable network or perhaps the CW. This is what made the Netflix rumors (albeit false rumors) interesting as it gave CBS a viable outlet Star Trek.
This works under the assumption that CBS wants new Star Trek. They may be happy just collecting the licensing fees from the movies/merchandising and the syndication of the already filmed shows.

Star Trek on TV may be something that they are simply not ready to move on yet and may not be ready for, for a very long time.
That may be (in my mind, at least) the biggest reason why we've had no new series from CBS. Why spend the money to produce a (surely expensive) series, when the franchise is making money without one, especially considering they didn't have to make the initial investment of actually producing any of the previous series?
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Old July 1 2014, 05:47 AM   #83
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I'm actually pleased at the way CBS is handling Star Trek. I'd rather get a decent movie every three or four years than have them pump out mediocre material like Paramount did in the 90's.
Agreed.

That, and I just don't want any more Berman Trek. Ever again. It had its day, with it's spinoffs and spinoffs of spinoffs. It was merely one version; it's not the end-all and be-all of Star Trek.
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Old July 1 2014, 11:59 AM   #84
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It's very depressing seeing occassionally talented - and often beloved - actors in Fan Films, regardless of where, or how, these projects got their funding. It's like a total admission of these stars being "down on their luck," as it were. And it's embarassing, also, watching them with egg all over their face, as Fan Films generally tend to suck. I remember one time, on another STAR TREK forum, entirely, there was some guy who was trying to solicit money for a fan film he was making that didn't even star known talent. I read this thread of theirs and said, "something's wrong ..."
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Old July 1 2014, 04:14 PM   #85
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That may be (in my mind, at least) the biggest reason why we've had no new series from CBS. Why spend the money to produce a (surely expensive) series, when the franchise is making money without one, especially considering they didn't have to make the initial investment of actually producing any of the previous series?
Because there's always more money to be made.
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Old July 1 2014, 04:31 PM   #86
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That may be (in my mind, at least) the biggest reason why we've had no new series from CBS. Why spend the money to produce a (surely expensive) series, when the franchise is making money without one, especially considering they didn't have to make the initial investment of actually producing any of the previous series?
Because there's always more money to be made.
But maybe there really isn't. If CBS though that a new Trek TV series was a slam dunk profit-wise, it would either already be here or deep into development.

They have to weigh risk vs. reward and, apparently, reward hasn't gotten a clear seal of approval from the CBS bean counters. Probably the same thing is what sunk an immediate jump from TNG-R to DS9-R.
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Old July 2 2014, 03:40 PM   #87
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I wish CBS would just C&D all these Kickstarters and be done with it.

There, I said it.
Seconded.

a) it's getting out of hand.
b) it's emboldening the broad and lofty language coming from the people behind the fan films (and not always in a good way)
c) there are far better things for people to spend their money on.
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I'm not sure that door is shutting anytime soon as too many people are using it. Now it is more of the question of who has not tried crowd funding vs. those who have, sign of the times I guess.
When something feels too good to be true, it usually is.

Crowdfunding feels to me like a bubble. Crowdfunding fan-films feels like a bubble on top of a bubble. I don't know when or how either of these bubbles will pop, but I think they will. It's just too much of an all-you-can-eat buffet right now.
Reminds me of something said by Lee Goldberg a while back (and keep in mind I support some fan productions, but do not believe that they are 'better' because they are the 'pure' Star Trek or any such nonsense) :

Yesterday in Variety, a bunch of clueless morons calling themselves The Colonial Fan Force ran a full-page, color advertisement clamoring for a “Battlestar Galactica” movie starring the original cast.

Millions of fans still dream of seeing the Battlestar Galactica roam the heavens once more in a big screen continuations of the epic story that began in 1978 with the original cast and characters leading a new generation of warriors.

Yeah, right… there are millions, no TENS of millions, of fans clamoring for the return of Herb Jefferson, Laurette Sprang, Dirk Benedict, and Richard Hatch (who is not nearly as powerful an actor as the nude guy of the same name on “Survivor”… nor as successful). I suspect the real audience is about 100 fat guys in their 40s, who at this very moment are busily duping all their Heather Thomas videos onto DVD…

That said, I am always amused by the losers who spend their comic book money on pointless ads like this (or, worse, the ones who publish a synopsis of, or excerpt from, their unsold screenplays). The advertising guys at Variety and the Hollywood Reporter must laugh themselves silly with glee every time one of these suckers comes in.

In the case of the “Battlestar Galactica,” the folks at “The Colonial Fan Force” urge the readers of Variety (most of whom are entertainment industry professionals) to write writer/producer Glen A. Larson and Tom DeSanto, a guy who once tried to launch a movie version of the TV show. This shows just how little the people who paid for this ad understand about how the business works…and even sillier when you consider the SciFi Channel is already in the midst of shooting a new “Battlestar Galactica” TV series from NBC/Universal Studios with an all-new cast led by Edward James Olmos.

I suppose we have Gene Roddenberry to blame for this, ever since he cleverly engineered the so-called “viewer campaign” to save “Star Trek” from cancellation. So now we get ads demanding the return of dull supporting characters axed from TV shows (the “Save Marina” campaign on “The L Word” comes to mind) and from the millions of fans still crying over the demise of “Manimal.” I’m looking forward to the “Bring Gloria Reuben back to MISSING” ads… maybe the Colonial Fan Force can take up the cause.
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Old July 2 2014, 06:10 PM   #88
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But maybe there really isn't. If CBS though that a new Trek TV series was a slam dunk profit-wise, it would either already be here or deep into development.
It's clearly not a slam dunk, especially with all the variables at play. But at some point in the future, it will be profitable enough. Right now the movies are doing just fine in that regard.

I think it will take a successful Star Wars live action series to spur a Star Trek production. Other sci-fi television is going to have to set a precedent first, and there are some hurdles to get there.
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Old July 2 2014, 06:59 PM   #89
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Yesterday in Variety, a bunch of clueless morons calling themselves The Colonial Fan Force
I think the worst offender in this category is the nameless/faceless entity trying to get Star Trek Titan greenlit without even talking to Jonathan Frakes or CBS. It's just supposed to magically spring out of the grass-roots as long as you show enough CG fly-bys.
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Old July 2 2014, 07:46 PM   #90
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Yesterday in Variety, a bunch of clueless morons calling themselves The Colonial Fan Force
I think the worst offender in this category is the nameless/faceless entity trying to get Star Trek Titan greenlit without even talking to Jonathan Frakes or CBS. It's just supposed to magically spring out of the grass-roots as long as you show enough CG fly-bys.
Yep, Its most a guy that lives in the Netherlands that is either a clueless dreamer or a big scam artist, I vote the latter.
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