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Old June 13 2014, 04:55 PM   #2386
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Either way, if they are setting this in a new galaxy as I suspect, then glossing over the three main endings should be pretty easy.
There's still going to be post-ME3 humans, judging by the N7 armor seeing in what they showed. Hard to gloss over the green ending in that case.
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Old June 13 2014, 06:47 PM   #2387
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In their defence they claim that the intent in the ME3 ending wasn't that the relays were destroyed, just damaged. Clearly splitting hairs and whether you actually believe them or not is your choice.
Yeah, I don't really believe them. Before the Extended Cut DLC, the Charon relay was clearly destroyed and not just "ruptured" or damaged like BioWare insists.
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Old June 13 2014, 07:22 PM   #2388
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In their defence they claim that the intent in the ME3 ending wasn't that the relays were destroyed, just damaged. Clearly splitting hairs and whether you actually believe them or not is your choice.
Yeah, I don't really believe them. Before the Extended Cut DLC, the Charon relay was clearly destroyed and not just "ruptured" or damaged like BioWare insists.
While I'm not defending them, I am willing to buy that a lot of this was mostly down to shortcuts taken in crunch time. It's clear that from a purely technical POV, the ending and a few other areas of the game was rushed and were delivered in a less than complete state. Hence the EC re-inserting things known to have been cut prior to launch.

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Either way, if they are setting this in a new galaxy as I suspect, then glossing over the three main endings should be pretty easy.
There's still going to be post-ME3 humans, judging by the N7 armor seeing in what they showed. Hard to gloss over the green ending in that case.
Since it was very unclear what that green nonsense really meant anyway, it's hard to get a handle on what long term effect it would really have. Maybe the cosmetic indicators (the green patterns) faded after a time and the bio-link gobbledygook doesn't work outside of the Milky-way.

Look, I'm not saying there's a perfectly reasonably way to explain *all* possible plot holes and inconsistencies. Given how many are pre-existing within the endings themselves, that's simply impossible.

That doesn't mean they won't simply hand-wave it. Like for example killing Leliana in DAO not preventing her from returning in DA2, or making Anderson a councillor only to have Udina to end up getting the job anyway. It's just a game and they've proven they're not above cheating the details to serve the larger story (and budget) of the project.
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Old June 14 2014, 09:10 PM   #2389
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I'm honestly baffled as to how they can set a game AFTER the events of ME3, given that the finale leaves the world in four extremely different end-states.
They could make the "destroy" ending canon and ignore the others.

Why would you spend all that time fighting Saren and the Illusive Man just to do exactly what they wanted, anyway?
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Old June 14 2014, 10:20 PM   #2390
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Why would you spend all that time fighting Saren and the Illusive Man just to do exactly what they wanted, anyway?
The same reason I spent all of Mass Effect 2 doing what the Illusive Man wanted, instead of shooting the Cerberus crew and returning to the Alliance: Because Bioware Said So.
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Old June 15 2014, 03:30 AM   #2391
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In their defence they claim that the intent in the ME3 ending wasn't that the relays were destroyed, just damaged. Clearly splitting hairs and whether you actually believe them or not is your choice.
Yeah, I don't really believe them. Before the Extended Cut DLC, the Charon relay was clearly destroyed and not just "ruptured" or damaged like BioWare insists.
While I'm not defending them, I am willing to buy that a lot of this was mostly down to shortcuts taken in crunch time. It's clear that from a purely technical POV, the ending and a few other areas of the game was rushed and were delivered in a less than complete state. Hence the EC re-inserting things known to have been cut prior to launch.
I'm sure that had a great deal to do with it, yeah. Clearly the game needed at least another six months of development time (preferably another full year), because there were problems from start to finish, not just with the ending.

Oh well...
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Old June 15 2014, 09:09 AM   #2392
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Realistically speaking, another year would have sent the budget through the roof with little hope of making back the money, thus probably killing the franchise. Time is money after all and aside from another 12 months worth of wages for however many people were on the project, it's also 12 months when they're not working on a new product, hampering long term revenue too.

In all fairness I think it's mostly a case of expectations and ambitions being hampered by economic realities. The game we felt we deserved just wasn't possible sadly.

It wasn't all down to business though. There were some very odd decisions made that did nothing for the game and wasted precious resources. That reporter who's name escapes me at the moment leaps to mind. I mean the concept is sound, but instead of developing one of the TWO reporter characters they already had, the stunt cast some web "personality" who has the acting talent of a soggy styrofoam cup. What a total waste of a good idea. Hell they could have ditched that whole mission with Jacob and *nobody* would have noticed.

So yeah, so while there's no way they could have done everything they and the fans would have liked, they still could have done *better*.

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Old June 15 2014, 02:04 PM   #2393
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Hell they could have ditched that whole mission with Jacob and *nobody* would have noticed.
I'm sure their stats from the second game showed that there were at least three people who romanced Jacob.
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Old June 15 2014, 03:54 PM   #2394
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^And he still dumped all three of them.
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Old June 15 2014, 05:55 PM   #2395
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I've currently got a renegade adept FemShep I've been putzing around with who romanced Jacob just for shits n' giggles, and it's great taking all the lower right responses in ME3 and being all pissed off at him for dumping you. Can't wait to smack him in the face outside the arcade.

I was going to hook up with Traynor after rescuing Jacob, but it turns out using all the renegade dialogue with her nixxes that possibility. Who knew?
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Old June 15 2014, 11:51 PM   #2396
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Wait, you actually get to bitch slap the dopey bugger?
*checks youtube*
Ha! That's hilarious!

And yet he *still* acts like a clueless nonce. I swear, either the Bioware writers *really* don't like that guy or they have no idea what to do with him.
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Old June 16 2014, 12:19 AM   #2397
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In all of my ME2 playthroughs now I just let him die during the Suicide Mission because his part in ME3 is just so dumb, not to mention pointless. Better to let the guy die a somewhat heroic death.
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Old June 16 2014, 12:51 AM   #2398
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I'm honestly baffled as to how they can set a game AFTER the events of ME3, given that the finale leaves the world in four extremely different end-states.
They could make the "destroy" ending canon and ignore the others.
Or they could make indoctrination theory the canon ending... which would be the best thing ever.
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Old June 16 2014, 02:15 AM   #2399
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I'm honestly baffled as to how they can set a game AFTER the events of ME3, given that the finale leaves the world in four extremely different end-states.
They could make the "destroy" ending canon and ignore the others.
Or they could make indoctrination theory the canon ending... which would be the best thing ever.
So rather than kill all the Reapers, you would go with Shepard is brainwashed and the galaxy is screwed?
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Old June 16 2014, 02:51 AM   #2400
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They could make the "destroy" ending canon and ignore the others.
Or they could make indoctrination theory the canon ending... which would be the best thing ever.
So rather than kill all the Reapers, you would go with Shepard is brainwashed and the galaxy is screwed?
That WOULD be hard to explain. Yeah I have no idea how they are going to do it.
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