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Old June 13 2014, 02:23 PM   #1
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Great new TMP pics!

As has been previously mentioned on this board, Roddenberry.com do a weekly podcast of Star Trek reviews and they also have a "discovered documents" section where previously unpublished material is released. This week they have a lot of TMP photos, contributed by someone who worked on the actual set! They are definitely worth a look:

http://missionlogpodcast.com/discovereddocuments/091/
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Old June 13 2014, 05:41 PM   #2
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Re: Great new TMP pics!

WOW! This is fascinating behind behind-the-scenes stuff.

I find the unobstructed view of the spacedock wall painting (backdrop for the recreation room crew assembly scene) interesting although it unfortunately has many issues.

Here is Andrew Probert's original sketch for comparison:



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Old June 13 2014, 07:19 PM   #3
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Re: Great new TMP pics!

That huge backdrop painting of the nacelle is amazing.
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Old June 13 2014, 09:06 PM   #4
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Indeed! I had no idea til I saw these pics that it was a BACKDROP painting, I just assumed it had been matted in like in the TV series. Amazing
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Old June 13 2014, 10:26 PM   #5
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Re: Great new TMP pics!

Nothing much new in those photos, but that document about Spock's "Trial" is fascinating. It would have been difficult to pull of as a filmed sequence, but the literal "deviation from one's chosen path" is a great idea visually.
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Old June 13 2014, 11:07 PM   #6
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Re: Great new TMP pics!

Never saw these before. That is an awesome background painting!
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Old June 14 2014, 01:28 PM   #7
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Re: Great new TMP pics!

I guess we´re all blown away by that particular one - well, except Maurice

Thanks for posting this, Mytran
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Old June 14 2014, 01:54 PM   #8
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Re: Great new TMP pics!

I've seen the painting before.
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Old June 14 2014, 02:27 PM   #9
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That´s what I thought and my remark was meant as a tip of the hat to your knowledge of Trek.
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Old June 14 2014, 03:32 PM   #10
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Re: Great new TMP pics!

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I've seen the painting before.
Where?!? (If I may ask)

However I also find extremely interesting the Phase II story proposal.

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Old June 14 2014, 04:57 PM   #11
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Re: Great new TMP pics!

"Nothing much new in those photos"

While I've not seen every TMP photo ever printed in publication, I have seen quite a lot back then, but definitely never that drydock wall painting for the rec room scene without the studio set in front of it.

These are obviously not just some well known publicity stills, but private behind the scenes photos courtesy of the Resella family, so I find this remark not helpful at all, to say the least.

But while we are at this, maybe somebody can explain THIS:



In Mytran's other thread (forced and faked Trek perspective drawings) it became rather clear, that just below the engine room set level they covered the floor with some kind of painted canvas to create the illusion of a long vertical engine core extending at least 5 deck levels down (the shadow towards Scotty's console indicates the end of the physical set element and the beginning of the painting):



The problem, obviously, is that the illusion requires a fixed position of the camera (Meyer took some liberties in the TWOK engine room inspection room scene if you look close at the wrinkled and reused canvas painting there).

In simpler language: The picture from the Resella family ("3 of 11" in the link) appears to be a different (earlier?) floor painting because it features a completely different viewing angle and with additional core segments!!!

If that isn't a little sensation, then I frankly don't know what would qualify as such.

Bob

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Here is a graphic example how the illusion dissolves the moment the camera abandons its fixed position:

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Old June 14 2014, 06:04 PM   #12
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Re: Great new TMP pics!

Couldn't help but wonder, how Ben Resella was able to take these pictures. Well, turns out he was a Hollywood legend creating painted sceneries and looking again at the context of the link it became obvious, that he was apparently in charge of painting the engine core extensions, the corridor extension and the giant drydock painting.

And I'm afraid, Mytran is now going to be in trouble. The link should have been in your thread about "Forced Perspectives", didn't you hear about the BBS prohibition of posting double threads? (just kidding, but I think there should be a quick update in the "Forced Perspectives" thread, now that we located the artist for a couple of those).

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Old June 14 2014, 07:14 PM   #13
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Okay, until we hear some solid background information on the alternate engine core painting, I'd say it's up to speculation and here are my 0.02 $:
  • This painting is post-Minor and post-Phase II because it features no longer the "Minor spheres" but these cylindrical and connecting segments instead which we saw in he final film
  • We are probably looking at the first engine core extension painting intended for a scene that didn't make it into the film. Either Bob Wise wanted to shoot Kirk's entry differently or the original plan (a camera pan from the lower core to the upper engine room level / physical set) didn't work out because it became too obvious that the extension was fake (this was still the "analog" age, so how this would have looked on film depended entirely on shooting it first and then evaluating the footage)
  • Instead, they decided to shoot the engine core extension from a higher point of view with a moderate camera pan that wouldn't betray the intended illusion ("play it safer") and it worked. Possibly a late decision, thus Ben Resella didn't have time to include as many cylindrical connecting segments as he did in the first extension painting.
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Old June 14 2014, 08:30 PM   #14
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Re: Great new TMP pics!

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"Nothing much new in those photos"
Different angles of stuff we've seen a dozen times. And I've seen the b.g. painting before, just not from that angle. So not all that interesting to me.

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... so I find this remark not helpful at all, to say the least.
Where in the board guidelines is "helpful" a requirement?

People politely expressing a personal opinion is just that. Feel free to add me to your ignore list if your eyes are tiring of rolling in their sockets.
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Old June 14 2014, 09:03 PM   #15
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Nice pics! I really like the one with the crewmember standing near the end of the warp core set piece, as it really helps to illustrate the forced perspective technique they used.
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