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Old June 10 2014, 06:16 PM   #31
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Re: Damage to the Enterprise D 6 foot model

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I had left the show, and was working elsewhere, when I heard a story about the large 6 foot Enterprise model, and the fact that it was really damaged. [...] A short time later, I found out that Greg Jein had been commissioned to build a smaller, 4 foot version of the Enterprise-D
You once said that your last episode was Yesterday's Enterprise, but that came well after the four-footer became the go-to filming model. So they were already using it for several months before you were no longer working there.

I have no idea on the timeline for that, since I was not privy to it's construction or use.
Perhaps you should better consider your words then when you compose libelous posts against others who worked on the show long after you left it.
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Old June 10 2014, 08:39 PM   #32
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I had left the show, and was working elsewhere, when I heard a story about the large 6 foot Enterprise model, and the fact that it was really damaged. [...] A short time later, I found out that Greg Jein had been commissioned to build a smaller, 4 foot version of the Enterprise-D
You once said that your last episode was Yesterday's Enterprise, but that came well after the four-footer became the go-to filming model. So they were already using it for several months before you were no longer working there.
Not to mention the anecdote about being on set for the "nude" scenes in Menage a Troi, several months later. Unless we're expected to believe the set was not only open, but ex-employees could walk around.
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Old June 14 2014, 09:19 AM   #33
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Isn't there a picture of the six-footer floating around where they had changed the registry to 1701-E before packing it away after Generations?

Wow is that registry mis-centered.
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Old June 14 2014, 11:15 AM   #34
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Re: Damage to the Enterprise D 6 foot model

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The 4 foot model was actually more detailed than the 6 footer, even to the point that that it properly depicted the 10-forward windows.
I don't care about the 10 Forward windows, the 4 footer is a fat and ugly version of the D.

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Not to mention the addition of the 10 forward windows was a ret-conning of the ship design. Probert only intended for that area to be one deck high.
I wish people would stop talking about Probert's intentions as if they mean anything, the saucer rim is two decks, end of story. It wasn't a retcon because the rim was never established as only one deck.

I'm sure many people intended many things but if it doesn't end up on screen it doesn't matter.
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Old June 14 2014, 06:14 PM   #35
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Re: Damage to the Enterprise D 6 foot model

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I wish people would stop talking about Probert's intentions as if they mean anything, the saucer rim is two decks, end of story. It wasn't a retcon because the rim was never established as only one deck.

I'm sure many people intended many things but if it doesn't end up on screen it doesn't matter.
Then that begets the question of why they modified the saucer edge on the 4 footer in the first place?
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Old June 14 2014, 06:27 PM   #36
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Probably because the electronics inside the model needed the space (lights).
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Old June 15 2014, 03:01 AM   #37
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Probably because the electronics inside the model needed the space (lights).
nope.
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Old June 15 2014, 09:35 AM   #38
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Re: Damage to the Enterprise D 6 foot model

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Probably because the electronics inside the model needed the space (lights).
nope.
If this is supposed to be helpful it fails. Either add some meaningful explanation or don't post.
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Old June 15 2014, 11:58 AM   #39
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Nope, it wasn't to fit the electronics inside the model.
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Old June 16 2014, 09:31 AM   #40
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The 4 foot model was actually more detailed than the 6 footer, even to the point that that it properly depicted the 10-forward windows.
That was the selling point, but it's a common opinion that the "more detailed" 4-footer sacrificed the sleekness found in the 6-footer.
can you explain this - or post comparison photos?

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Old June 16 2014, 01:53 PM   #41
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The 4 foot model was actually more detailed than the 6 footer, even to the point that that it properly depicted the 10-forward windows.
That was the selling point, but it's a common opinion that the "more detailed" 4-footer sacrificed the sleekness found in the 6-footer.
can you explain this - or post comparison photos?

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Checkout some of the photos at the link in my previous post.
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Old June 16 2014, 02:52 PM   #42
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Not just the photos - the whole article is worth reading. Thanks!
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Old June 16 2014, 03:21 PM   #43
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I wish people would stop talking about Probert's intentions as if they mean anything, the saucer rim is two decks, end of story. It wasn't a retcon because the rim was never established as only one deck.

I'm sure many people intended many things but if it doesn't end up on screen it doesn't matter.
This is not about what Mr. Probert intended or not, but the final scale of the 6-footer as seen on screen.

The 6-footer has at least two external features that enable us to conclude the correct in-universe size, i.e. the windows of the Conference Lounge at the back of the bridge and the diameter of the port docking port (i.e. "11001001").

According to those there'd be only space for one deck on the saucer's rim of the 6-footer, but that wasn't considered when the idea of Ten Forward came into being.

Apparently the rim became a lot thicker on the 4-footer to compensate, I still wonder why they didn't use the four large windows above the Captain's Yacht for the location of Guinan's bar, instead.

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Old June 16 2014, 05:30 PM   #44
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Re: Damage to the Enterprise D 6 foot model

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I wish people would stop talking about Probert's intentions as if they mean anything, the saucer rim is two decks, end of story. It wasn't a retcon because the rim was never established as only one deck.

I'm sure many people intended many things but if it doesn't end up on screen it doesn't matter.
This is not about what Mr. Probert intended or not, but the final scale of the 6-footer as seen on screen.

The 6-footer has at least two external features that enable us to conclude the correct in-universe size, i.e. the windows of the Conference Lounge at the back of the bridge and the diameter of the port docking port (i.e. "11001001").

According to those there'd be only space for one deck on the saucer's rim of the 6-footer, but that wasn't considered when the idea of Ten Forward came into being.

Apparently the rim became a lot thicker on the 4-footer to compensate, I still wonder why they didn't use the four large windows above the Captain's Yacht for the location of Guinan's bar, instead.

Bob
Thank you. That is exactly what I was getting at. They had to re-scale the saucer rim in order to fit in 10-forward. This is how the scale should have looked based on the original design of the E-D and the 6-foot model.

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Old June 16 2014, 05:36 PM   #45
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Re: Damage to the Enterprise D 6 foot model

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The 4 foot model was actually more detailed than the 6 footer, even to the point that that it properly depicted the 10-forward windows.
That was the selling point, but it's a common opinion that the "more detailed" 4-footer sacrificed the sleekness found in the 6-footer.
can you explain this - or post comparison photos?

Thanks
Along with the numerous other photos that have been posted by other members, here's a shot that really shows the differences.

Six Foot

Four foot


EAS also has a bunch of comparisons in their TNG-HD reviews.
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