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Old June 8 2014, 09:59 PM   #136
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I'd laugh if pot was legal, it's just that setting it on fire isn't.

Making even a tiny unpermitted fire on a space station seems like a stupid idea.

Although growing it can't have been incredibly legal, agricultural space must be at a premium. Although I have had more than one friend that grew their pot in the dark mostly in their closet. Just stuck it under a light bulb bow and then.
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Old June 12 2014, 01:04 PM   #137
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Anyone catch the flag on the arc station that landed? Was it Brazil?
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Old June 12 2014, 03:59 PM   #138
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I'm starting to have more and more doubts about this show. The protagonists just burn up the whole band of Grounders? People who had every right to be there and were just defending their homes? Couldn't they have found a better way? When the Reapers were introduced, I thought the show was building toward something where the 100 and the Grounders would have to join forces against a common enemy, and I thought that was where Finn was going with the "enemy of my enemy" bit. But instead the show just went for violence and more violence. And I found myself wondering what the point of it all was. There's all this constant bloodshed and killing, but what are the characters learning from it? What purpose does it serve thematically and emotionally? Nobody really seems to be learning much except "Oh, here's a new way to kill people, and I kinda don't want to do it, but what the hell, let's do it, and wow, here's a way to kill even more people with even less remorse!" It's gotten to the point where it feels gratuitous. There doesn't seem to be much of a point to it beyond piling on more death and horror at every turn.

Given this show's track record with the survival of nonwhite characters, I wasn't surprised that both Raven and Jaha seemed marked for death by the end. But hopefully the sudden emergence of the Mt. Weather people, who clearly have modern technology, will provide a way for them to survive. I have to wonder, though -- if these guys have been there in Mt. Weather all along, why didn't they come out until now? Where have they been all season? Didn't they notice the drop ship coming in for a landing, or the hijacked landing craft crashing more recently? It seems like a lot of the bloodshed and death could've been averted, which makes it feel even more gratuitous.

And wow, did they handle the space physics badly. The habitat ring in those final shots wasn't even rotating, so how the hell did Jaha have gravity? If he does survive, I hope they find a way to get him to the ground quickly so I don't have to put up with the lousy physics anymore.
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Old June 12 2014, 09:20 PM   #139
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Can't argue with you on the space physics, pretty awful. But for the rest, i have to disagree. First, I wouldn't categorize the Grounders as someone just defending their homes. Maybe initially that was the case, but at some point they became an attacking force and it was clearly a kill or be killed situation for The 100.

Now we can certainly debate whether the Grounders were justified in their attack, considering The 100 fired first in the negotiations fiasco at the bridge, but I think this is a show about consequences. I think a less daring show doesn't go as dark as this one does with showing what the consequences of really poor decisions can lead to. The show hasn't been afraid to go there, whether it be the consequences of destroying the radio and having those couple hundred of people die on the station or their willingness to lynch and Murphy and what came of that.

I'm curious as to who you are referring to regarding the show's track record for non-white characters? Anyone other than the Jaha's son, and asian guy who also played a bad guy in Continuum? Considering both Jaha and Raven are still around and there are plenty of other non-white characters still around, I feel like we've lost plenty of white characters, the little girl who killed Jaha's son, Bellamy's friend who liked his sister, what's her name from BSG who hijacked the big drop ship.
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Old June 12 2014, 11:04 PM   #140
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First, I wouldn't categorize the Grounders as someone just defending their homes. Maybe initially that was the case, but at some point they became an attacking force and it was clearly a kill or be killed situation for The 100.
Well, that's what people do when defending their home against invaders, isn't it? They fight back. The point is that neither side was evil here, and they should've found some better option than just immolating the whole lot of them. Taking the leads to that point without really giving any thematic reason for it seems gratuitous. I grew up with shows about protagonists who were defined by their determination to find better alternatives to violence when it was possible, stories where the nuclear option was there as a last resort but usually as something the characters stepped away from when they realized it would be too great a moral compromise. Now it seems the fashion is to tell stories about protagonists with no moral compass and make them cross every conceivable moral line for the sake of being edgy and shocking. And I have to wonder what characters like that stand for, why we should sympathize with or root for them.

Granted, stories about antiheroes or even villains can have dramatic merit if their acts of violence reveal something dramatically meaningful about them. I never watched Breaking Bad, but I gather that the main character's descent into worse and worse evil was a cautionary tale, meant not to glorify his acts but to highlight their immorality and how they destroyed him and the people around him. But I don't see what the 100's actions are revealing about them or teaching them. I don't see the dramatic purpose to all the violence, so I don't feel it's justified. I'm not talking about whether the characters were justified in taking actions to defend themselves. I'm talking about the justification behind the writers' decision to include all this violence in the story. What purpose does it serve dramatically, thematically, philosophically? What is the message of the story? What are the characters learning?


I think a less daring show doesn't go as dark as this one does with showing what the consequences of really poor decisions can lead to.
I hear that so much these days, about how "daring" it is to go dark. That would've been true a decade ago, maybe. But these days, it's the default to go dark. Plenty of shows do it. It's not daring anymore, it's just copying Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones. Going along with the current fashion is the exact opposite of being daring.


I'm curious as to who you are referring to regarding the show's track record for non-white characters? Anyone other than the Jaha's son, and asian guy who also played a bad guy in Continuum?
You haven't noticed? Every speaking black character among the 100 has been systematically killed off -- first Wells (who was one of the main characters in the book!) in episode 3, then John Mbege in episode 6, then Connor in episode 10. Up top, Kelly Hu disappeared after the first episode, then most of the multiethnic council (including poor Hiro Kanagawa, who I don't think was ever given more than one line) was killed in the explosion. Then Terry Chen was shoved aside as the bad guy in favor of the very blond Kate Vernon.

So by late in the season, we reached a point where, aside from Raven and Monty, all the speaking characters among the 100 were white -- and Monty was frequently absent altogether. And who plays the primitive, savage Grounders? Mostly nonwhite actors like Ricky Whittle and Dichen Lachman. The protagonists are coded as white and the savage, exotic enemy is coded as dark.

And yes, a lot of white characters have died too, but that's because there are so many white characters overall. The key is that there are still plenty of white characters left alive, while among the nonwhite characters, the mortality rate is more than half.
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Old June 12 2014, 11:58 PM   #141
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The only thing I agree with here is the killing of non-white characters.
As for the conflict with the Grounders, I think it's worth pointing out that the Grounders did attack The 100 without any giving any kind of reason or warning. They've been pretty aggressive all pretty much from the beginning. Most of the violence probably couldn't told The 100 that they were in their territory and asked them to leave.

I actually thought this was a pretty good season finale, although I do wish Jaha had stayed on the station and made it to the surface. We got some pretty good action scenes down on the surface, and I thought the end was a great twist.
I wonder if Octavia will be a full on Grounder when we see her again next season?
It'll also be interesting to see what happens when the people from the Arc make it to the remains of The 100s community. I'm assuming they'll think that the fried bodies are the kids.
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Old June 13 2014, 12:16 AM   #142
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It was pretty obvious that the Mountain Men were going to end up being who they were (though, admittedly, I didn't think they'd be that advanced), but I did suspect that Mount Weather had something to do with why this region is inhabitable so much earlier than anticipated. The fact that they have a quaranteen facility, and its in as good condition as it is, suggests quite a bit about the place. Especially since they have enough supplies to not only cause the Grounders to fear them, but to waste that many grenades on the 100.

Speaking of, I don't think the 100 necessarily stands for the children. You can find the number in a few places, least of which being how many years (roughly) it's been since the war.

It's also pretty obvious that the Grounders are comprised of the descendents of some special forces types. Their tactics and training aren't something a bunch of random survivors would have developed, especially the tree repelling stuff they were doing earlier in the season.

If I had to guess, the Mountain Men are comprised of some loyalists who had something to do with the war, the Grounders were originally soldiers working for them who broke off after discovering whatever it is they did, and the Reapers are... I dunno what the fuck to make of them. Maybe tests subjects of some kind? They're just way too feral for only four generations of cannibals.
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Old June 13 2014, 02:12 AM   #143
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The ending really reminded me of the ending of the first season of Jeremiah, the two season show that JMS had on Showtime which made me actually really like Luke Perry as an actor.
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Old June 13 2014, 04:20 AM   #144
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As for the conflict with the Grounders, I think it's worth pointing out that the Grounders did attack The 100 without any giving any kind of reason or warning. They've been pretty aggressive all pretty much from the beginning. Most of the violence probably couldn't told The 100 that they were in their territory and asked them to leave.
Again: I'm not talking about whether the actions can be justified in-story. I'm talking about what the dramatic and thematic value is of telling a story about characters committing such extreme acts of violence. Violence as a plot device should have a purpose -- not just a purpose to the characters, but a purpose for being included as an element of the story. If it's just there for mindless action and shock value, then that's not enough to justify it. Then it becomes just war porn or torture porn. The show has failed to convince me that this violence means something on a thematic or character level. If it's just there to be constant war and killing and awfulness for its own sake, that's not something I want to watch.
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Old June 14 2014, 09:17 AM   #145
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"Thelonious" (Seriously? I don't remember anyone using his christian name before this. Wow.) Jaha does not need gravity. His magnetic personality keeps his feet firmly stuck to what remains of the Ark.

This guy might be an ass, but Preston Burke was ten times worse... And I remember him being quite the pompous shit on the Bionic Woman too. How the hell did Bionic woman suck so hard when it should have mostly been endless fights to the death between Michelle Ryan and Starbuck?

But the story did mention the Mountain Men an episode earlier, so we were not completely unprepared... Although I did believe that it was going to be a Duck Dynasty cross over possibly...

Christopher, the Grounders that we have not seen are a large and diverse people living in what looks like 10th century conditions, who have villages broad enough and frequently plotted across the landscape that flares sent into the Van Allen Belt can burn one of them to the ground on their way back down from space... The Grounders that we have seen up till the appearance of the mountain men were the soldiers of the greater society... or are we to believe like in Rome, everyone is a citizen soldier and these brutish apes live in houses and farm when they do not have to protect their borders from foreign scum?

I suspect that who we have seen are Tree dwelling Psychos aimed at stopping alien intervention by any means necessary who are only tree dwelling psychos and always tree dwelling psychos, how even at the officer level are probably not the best at fitting in with the regular public either... Remember the first Rambo movie?

I'm guessing if someone is not protecting the borders of this zone the villages are in, that some other bastards from 50 miles away will march in, sack their villages and then march out with as many slaves as they can chain together.

Imagine if that's what Canada and Mexico wanted to do to the American border cities?

I believe that the division between Texas and Mexico would look like the wall from Game of Thrones.

It's sad that the 100 encountered "the military" first when probably the deputy mayor of somewhere unimportant should have been on his way to make diplomatic decisions rather than the soldiers who's only palate of choices were "kill" or "do not kill".

Okay.

Mount Weather takes children from the nearby villages out there.

Actually, they'd be better off taking pregnant women (briefly), or forcing husbandry with briefly captured (regular?) Grounders and their own women to ensure genetic diversity. But catch and release, y'know? They need young children, the younger the better, babies preferably who can be trained to be Mountain Men from scratch before they learn to be proud of being savages. That loin cloth/bone through you nose #### is almost impossible to unlearn.

That ward for intaking Outsider Grounders, which is now holding the Hundred is massive and frequently used, or at least it's cleaned regularly, and why would they clean something they have no use for? It would have been repurposed or sealed off and dusty.

Unless the Hundred have been kept unconscious for a week while it was cleaned, then that intake quarantine facility is in use always.

If the Mountain Men do come down every couple years rounding up the pregnant women and strong looking men as breeding stock (Even genetic harvesting, taking eggs and sperm to make babies the difficult way with technology, but it would allow them to make perfect children rather than rolling the dice.), it is a stark reality that the mobile tree dwelling army of psychopaths that has been trying to destroy the 100 might have a valued and necessary existence out there standing between the Mountain Men and their civilians in their villages worried about masked men taking their ovaries and sperms.

I just remembered that this show is books, and all this that I am pulling out of my ass should be confirmable or nonconfirmable.

Oh.

The drinking game is, every time that they say "Survivable" is when you take a shot.

Further, if the Mountain Men are just stealing babies to keep up their numbers at Mount Weather, then they are assholes, but if they are actually stealing more babies then they need and are rebuilding up other facilities and staffing those "compounds" with the babies they have educated to become fully actualized 23rd century human beings capable of pulling America (the World?) up by tit's boot straps, then it is a good plan despite being morally ambiguous and devised by utter jerks.

Um, has anyone read the books?
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Old June 14 2014, 09:35 AM   #146
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Um, has anyone read the books?
Isn't there just the one? That's all that was listed on amazon.ca. I downloaded it and will read it this weekend.
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Thank you, you are a shining light in this house of horrors.
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I think someone on The Ark had communications with the people at Mount Weather because they thought it was abandoned and that is why The 100 was suppose to go there.
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I think someone on The Ark had communications with the people at Mount Weather because they thought it was abandoned and that is why The 100 was suppose to go there.
I don't follow. If they thought Mt. Weather was abandoned, doesn't that suggest they didn't have any communications with its occupants? Indeed, the people on the Ark didn't think there were any survivors left on Earth. They didn't even know if the surface was habitable, which was why they sent the 100 -- to find out.

(Although, come to think of it, that makes no sense. Didn't they have telescopes or sensors? They should've been able to see animals or people moving around on the surface, and taken atmospheric scans and radiation readings from orbit.)
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I think someone on The Ark had communications with the people at Mount Weather because they thought it was abandoned and that is why The 100 was suppose to go there.
I don't follow. If they thought Mt. Weather was abandoned, doesn't that suggest they didn't have any communications with its occupants? Indeed, the people on the Ark didn't think there were any survivors left on Earth. They didn't even know if the surface was habitable, which was why they sent the 100 -- to find out.

(Although, come to think of it, that makes no sense. Didn't they have telescopes or sensors? They should've been able to see animals or people moving around on the surface, and taken atmospheric scans and radiation readings from orbit.)
They knew Clarke's name as written by her door. I mean someone on The Ark could have been communicating to people at Mount Weather. I believe it was less than 30 days between the drop of The 100 and the finale.
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