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Old June 12 2014, 11:47 PM   #2611
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Re: ‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

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Exactly so. I don't see anything that badly needs fixing in the movie. Some people just liked it and some people didn't like it.

I loved Green Lantern. In retrospect I could tell you what I think were the big problems with that movie (no, not the casting). I can't tell you whether changes to those things would have made it a big success, however.
Oh, I don't think there's anyway to predict whether something will be a big success or not. Personally, I disliked Green Lantern, (a part of it was the casting), but, like you, I don't think the changes would've suddenly turned the box office around. Not with the budget that it had.

No, on the flip side, I think it's easier to see whether something or not will flop. (Catwoman anyone?)


Nolan's movies are among the few exceptions, because he seems to have had a pretty free hand to make fairly ambitious films with themes that interested him. The first Captain America movie rather touched me.
I agree. And I also liked the 2nd Cap movie because it took on some strong themes about the world around us. I also really liked IM3, because tonally it was so different than the previous two, I liked Shane Black's work on it, a lot.


Other than those...meh, there's not a lot. At least Snyder's movies aren't cookie-cutter affairs.
They aren't like everyone else's, I agree, but, I just wish there was more substance to his work. It's all flash and not much else for me. I found it really hard for me to get connected emotionally to his characters. They all seem like puppets going through really visually appealing sequences... but, because I don't care... I just... don't care in the end.

His work leaves me cold.
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Old June 12 2014, 11:54 PM   #2612
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Not really, no.
Considering I'm the one who wrote it, and I know exactly what I said and what I meant, yes. Yes it really was.



Try reading everything except the last sentence which I excluded above, since, apparently, that's fucking throwing you two.
So now you want us to judge a portion of your post now and not the actual post you wrote? Well that sure is convenient.

.....we know.

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the ones trying to rationalize it from the character's point of view, as if he had no option but to do what he did.
All I've said is "no, not really".

It does seem pretty logical to helpfully point out to someone so obviously confused by the relationship of characters vs actual real life writers.

Not me. I'm blaming the god damned writers, because the character has nothing to do with it.
Why does it sound like you're having an angry cry? Take a deep breath, son.
That's good advice for BOTH of you to take, please.
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Old June 13 2014, 12:00 AM   #2613
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It's all flash and not much else for me. I found it really hard for me to get connected emotionally to his characters. They all seem like puppets going through really visually appealing sequences... but, because I don't care... I just... don't care in the end.
Which is how I feel about most of the Marvel Universe movies, including the two (other than Captain America) that I liked - the first Iron Man and Avengers.
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Old June 13 2014, 12:10 AM   #2614
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Kinda surprised there's no mention of a solo Affleck-Batman movie in there. Much as I was hoping for a MOS sequel, I thought for sure we'd see another Batman movie before we ever saw another solo Superman movie.
I don't have anything to back it up, but I'm thinking they might hold off on the Batman solo outing until the next reboot. That could be way off base, but they've concentrated on Batman so heavily over the last several years that it would be tough to separate the Nolan films from this new mythology.

As for a GL/Flash teamup? Hal has always been my favorite Lantern, but I can think of a couple of actors who could do John Stewart. And with Barry Allen in the new tv series, switching to a Wally West Flash for the movies might be confusing to general audiences. I'm hoping they stick with the classic characters.

Again, I could be way off but that's what makes sense to me.
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Old June 13 2014, 01:44 AM   #2615
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John Stewart is "my" Green Lantern because of the Justice League cartoon, so I'd be happy to see him in there. Obviously Barry's gonna be Flash (grumble grumble) but I've no reason to think a Barry/John friendship couldn't work very well or be significantly different than a Barry/Hal friendship.

The idea of a Shazam movie intrigues me - depending on how they do it could DC actually strike first with the supernatural/magic heroes instead of Marvel with Doctor Strange? Granted they don't really have much of anything in common; Doctor Fate's the closer DC analogue to Strange.
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Old June 13 2014, 02:34 AM   #2616
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Does anyone else see Patrick Warburton as the Big Red Cheese?
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Old June 13 2014, 02:58 AM   #2617
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Maybe if he was a bit younger.
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Old June 13 2014, 02:59 AM   #2618
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Shazam! should have been made in the 80s.
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Old June 13 2014, 03:37 AM   #2619
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I was thinking Channing Tatum, but he looks a bit "rough" to be the good-natured Captain,
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Old June 13 2014, 05:08 AM   #2620
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I really hope they don't make a Captain Marvel movie (I will never call the pre-New 52 version "shazam"). Pre-Reboot Captain Marvel is my favorite DC superhero, but DC has basically reversed his personality completely in the new comics. That means any movie would him would probably have him as the horrible, greedy, mean spirited teenager from the newer comics, instead of the hero who was more of a boy scout than Superman that was around from his creation until 2011 (not counting the stupid "evil" turn in Countdown, which was complete BS and he had no control over anyway).

He was actually interesting as a orphan with a heart of gold who could become a hero by saying a magic word. The 90s Power of Shazam series did a great job with keeping to that idea at its core while developing Billy and his supporting cast into better developed characters. Generic angry teenager "Shazam" is bad enough in the comics, but I know any movie would use that version, because having nice, actually heroic heroes is something DC loathes in movies and comics nowadays. I'm betting her never gets a movie anyway, they'll be too busy screwing up characters non comic fans have a higher chance of recognizing. Then again, angsty, mean spirited teenager seems like something DC would love to do in a movie, so I can see it happening. I'll just hope any rumors of a Shazam movie turn out to be nothing more than rumors, just like the last time rumors like this were being talked about.
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Old June 13 2014, 05:57 AM   #2621
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It's all flash and not much else for me. I found it really hard for me to get connected emotionally to his characters. They all seem like puppets going through really visually appealing sequences... but, because I don't care... I just... don't care in the end.
Which is how I feel about most of the Marvel Universe movies, including the two (other than Captain America) that I liked - the first Iron Man and Avengers.
Agreed. As entertaining as the Marvel movies can often be, I can't say I've ever found myself all that emotionally connected to the characters in them. It's fun to watch them do what they do, and the actors do their best to make them as believable as possible, but in the end they still come across as just slightly more dimensional comic book characters.

Whatever it's other faults, I actually thought MOS did a better job at humanizing its character than most other superhero movie I've seen. Cavill's Clark certainly felt more like a real, lived-in person than most of the quippy, comic booky Marvel characters out there.
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Old June 13 2014, 06:14 AM   #2622
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I really hope they don't make a Captain Marvel movie (I will never call the pre-New 52 version "shazam"). Pre-Reboot Captain Marvel is my favorite DC superhero, but DC has basically reversed his personality completely in the new comics. That means any movie would him would probably have him as the horrible, greedy, mean spirited teenager from the newer comics, instead of the hero who was more of a boy scout than Superman that was around from his creation until 2011 (not counting the stupid "evil" turn in Countdown, which was complete BS and he had no control over anyway).

He was actually interesting as a orphan with a heart of gold who could become a hero by saying a magic word. The 90s Power of Shazam series did a great job with keeping to that idea at its core while developing Billy and his supporting cast into better developed characters. Generic angry teenager "Shazam" is bad enough in the comics, but I know any movie would use that version, because having nice, actually heroic heroes is something DC loathes in movies and comics nowadays. I'm betting her never gets a movie anyway, they'll be too busy screwing up characters non comic fans have a higher chance of recognizing. Then again, angsty, mean spirited teenager seems like something DC would love to do in a movie, so I can see it happening. I'll just hope any rumors of a Shazam movie turn out to be nothing more than rumors, just like the last time rumors like this were being talked about.
A Shazam movie could be awesome. I don't have a problem with Billy being a bratty teenager. Billy is an orphan trapped in the child care system and moving from foster home to foster home. That would make anyone jaded. He's still nice to his friends Freddie and his sister Mary. Besides the Wizard chose him despite his flaws. There is obviously good in Billy, and when he gets the powers he uses them to help people.

Also Carol Danvers is Captain Marvel now. Marvel comics owns the Trademark for the name. Go Carol Go!
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Old June 13 2014, 07:14 AM   #2623
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It's all flash and not much else for me. I found it really hard for me to get connected emotionally to his characters. They all seem like puppets going through really visually appealing sequences... but, because I don't care... I just... don't care in the end.
Which is how I feel about most of the Marvel Universe movies, including the two (other than Captain America) that I liked - the first Iron Man and Avengers.
Oh, yeah. Especially The Avengers in the light of Days of Future Past.

For me though, I can give them an easier pass than MOS. The Marvel movies are trying to be just popcorn entertainment, let's have a laugh with a wink and a nod to how silly all of this is. I felt like MOS was trying to be more than a glib tent pole, but only got the visuals, but not the substance.

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Whatever it's other faults, I actually thought MOS did a better job at humanizing its character than most other superhero movie I've seen. Cavill's Clark certainly felt more like a real, lived-in person than most of the quippy, comic booky Marvel characters out there.
I get the realness of Cavill's Clark, but, he felt so disconnected from everyone else. I never felt like the characters connected to each other. They just were. Just moving through the frame doing the thing they needed to do. Like everyone was emotionally distant from each other.
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Old June 13 2014, 07:54 AM   #2624
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Old June 13 2014, 10:00 AM   #2625
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I was thinking Channing Tatum, but he looks a bit "rough" to be the good-natured Captain,
He's been cast as Gambit in the next X-Men movie. Obviously that doesn't preclude him appearing Shazam too but I would imagine it makes it a little less likely.
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