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Old February 28 2014, 07:56 PM   #451
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The original: 4= stars
The new one: 1 star. I almost walked out.
Um...yeah..
This may come as a shock to you, but "new is always better" is not, to the best of my knowledge, a universally agreed-upon maxim.
There is the wide gulf between not better and almost walking out. The question becomes is it because of the artistry itself or concerns that something was remade
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Old February 28 2014, 08:07 PM   #452
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Um...yeah..
This may come as a shock to you, but "new is always better" is not, to the best of my knowledge, a universally agreed-upon maxim.
There is the wide gulf between not better and almost walking out. The question becomes is it because of the artistry itself or concerns that something was remade
To each their own. I didn't hate RoboCop (2014), and there are some aspects of it that are done very well (PG-13 body horror; the overall design aesthetic; Keaton playing Evil Steve Jobs), but the script is a mess and the pacing is so horribly janky, just all over the place. If it were handled by a less competent director, I can easily see it as a movie I would have considered walking out from.
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Old February 28 2014, 09:40 PM   #453
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The script was definitely the weakest element. It was quite a mess. However, that's what you get when you hire the scribe who wrote Quantum of Solace (much like RoboCop, the script for QoS was the weakest part of that movie).

Then again, I think the director is somewhat responsible for the script being somewhat good, so while I think Jose Padilha is very competent, I do question some of his storytelling decisions. For example, he set out from the very beginning not to have any identifiable villain. I am not sure if that was such a good decision. The Pat Novak segments were kinda pointless and weighed the story down heavily. I get what Padilha was trying to do, but they slowed down the pacing to a grinding halt. While not a storytelling decision, I'm not sure why you would bring back the classic theme but also use it during the opening logo sequence and then use it quietly when a character that's not RoboCop is talking (and use it so quietly that you barely hear it).

I could go on and on - but I will say the film was very polished and sleek at least on an aesthetic and visual level (even though the decision to make RoboCop black seemed very dumb - especially when he looked perfect before they made him black). The actors were all really good, even if their parts were somewhat underwritten. I think the most frustrating thing for me as a moviegoer was the script, though. The film started off in a really interesting fashion. I thought the movie was going to be a metaphor for drones and how the war on terrorism has affected the country in a post 9/11 world - but that went nowhere and was never really touched upon or explored beyond the opening scene. Then, there was a brilliant scene with Gary Oldman's character and a musician who lost his hands and got them replaced with robotic ones - there's a line Oldman has about "Repressing your emotions" and the guy says, to paraphrase, "I need emotions to play". At that point, I thought the movie was going to be about our dependence on technology and how that conflicts with human emotions - which works perfectly with a more grounded RoboCop movie exploring the ideology of what it means to be human - but even that storyline is sort of abandoned and not properly explored in favor of a very generic and ultimately useless sub-plot where Murphy tries to solve his own murder (and does so very quickly without much tension or intrigue).

So the movie was really frustrating because it felt like there was a really interesting film which was apparent at the surface, but never really became anything beyond that. Bottom-line, if they ever do a sequel, they need to hire a better writer. I also wouldn't be opposed if they brought on a different director - I liked Padihla, I liked some of his visual and aesthetic choices, he chooses good actors and gets decent performances out of them - but I wouldn't be upset if he was replaced. Then again, I don't really think a sequel is necessary, either. It's not like I'm crossing my fingers for one.
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Old March 1 2014, 04:44 PM   #454
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Damn, I wanted this to be a must see reboot! Then again could anyone top the great Peter Weller? I guess I should wait for it to be free on HBO?
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Old March 1 2014, 05:38 PM   #455
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Damn, I wanted this to be a must see reboot! Then again could anyone top the great Peter Weller? I guess I should wait for it to be free on HBO?
It's really not a bad movie. When it gets stuff right, it nails it. It's just very flawed, particularly the pacing.

The important thing to remember when watching this is that it isn't the original movie, nor is it trying to be. In that respect, it does exactly what a good remake should do -- take the source material and spin it in a new direction, rather than tread ground that's already been done.
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Old March 2 2014, 03:27 AM   #456
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Thanks for the info Timby. I will watch it. Though I'll wait for it to come out on DVD.
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Old March 11 2014, 02:11 AM   #457
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http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=robocop2013.htm

$220 million and climbing so far! I smell sequel!
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Old March 11 2014, 02:34 AM   #458
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http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=robocop2013.htm

$220 million and climbing so far! I smell sequel!
$220 million worldwide on a $100-million budget isn't that impressive when you factor in things like advertising and how much the studio actually sees from the BO take.
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Old March 11 2014, 02:59 AM   #459
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Everybody wants to build a franchise. In recent years, if a movie doubles its budget, it gets a sequel, even if it's not considered greatly successful. Kick Ass, Percy Jackson, etc.

Interesting! Kick Ass did $96 against its $30 budget, tripling it.
Kick Ass 2, which was considered a bomb, doubled its budget with a $60 gross.
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Old March 23 2014, 08:57 PM   #460
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Approaching $260 million now. $50 million alone in China. Will likely make close to $300 million with disc sales. Sequel pretty much assured just as I said.
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Old June 6 2014, 07:11 AM   #461
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I rented this and I gotta say...it's a lot better than I expected. As reboots go this did a pretty good job of keeping the themes of the original without being a beat-by-beat retread. It doesn't have the black humor of the first but it's topical with drone warfare and corporate/government collusion and corruption. Even the marketing of Robocop's black tactical look. All in all, not bad.
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Old June 6 2014, 12:21 PM   #462
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I hear a lot of "better than I expected" ...I even said it myself. But it still felt very forgettable. I would be interested in a follow-up though.
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Old June 6 2014, 01:07 PM   #463
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I got about halfway through - very dull.
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Old June 6 2014, 03:54 PM   #464
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I hear a lot of "better than I expected" ...I even said it myself. But it still felt very forgettable. I would be interested in a follow-up though.
Yeah, I suppose repeat viewings would be the thing. As I left the store thinking "Did I really just rent this?" I was probably just glad I didn't find it completely terrible.
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Old June 23 2014, 12:12 PM   #465
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Just saw it on dvd..it was okay.

Not even close to the original but okay

Missed the humorous of the original.

The gun dealing bad guy was awful and bland.

Villians in these movies should be more over the top

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