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Old May 31 2014, 10:54 PM   #31
Timo
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Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?

We might consider that Spock never got Vulcan military training as far as we can tell, while T'Pol supposedly did.

OTOH, T'Pol wouldn't have gotten human military training, save for what little could take place aboard the ship, while Spock would have received that at the time his body (the human half of it, at any rate) was at its most receptive to such things.

I wonder what things Vulcans would emphasize in physical training, be it military or civilian...? Possibly species-specific combat arts such as the nerve grip would be considered more important than muscular strength, and might even be at odds with it.

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Old June 2 2014, 07:16 AM   #32
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Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?

Simple. They're about as strong as Romulan women.
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Old June 2 2014, 07:52 AM   #33
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Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?

It's established that the average Vulcan is 3x stronger than the average Human.

Vulcan men and women are similarly proportioned to Human men and women, in terms of overall mass and upper body thickness etc. Unless there is a particularly unusual quirk associated with Vulcan physiology, the would make the male Vulcans a fair bit stronger than the females, (on average).

Just as with Humans, if a female Vulcan lifted weights and was of a generally larger build than average, she could in theory be stronger than a smaller, untrained Vulcan male.

There are powerlifters on Earth now who are way more than 3X stronger than your average guy who works in an office. Based on this, it's entirely possible that a Human man could train to be stronger than an average Vulcan man, and therefore significantly stronger than an average Vulcan woman.


This kind of reminds me of the old TV show Alien Nation. It was established that the Newcomers were 30% stronger than average Humans, yet small female newcomers could ragdoll big strong Human males. It made no sense really because at best they would be of similar strength.
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Old June 2 2014, 08:25 AM   #34
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Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?

I have to admit that I've been wondering the same thing about Vulcan women. My girlfriend and me are currently watching Enterprise, and on several occasions, she has turned to me and asked 'aren't Vulcans supposed to be so much stronger then humans?'.

And all I can answer is, supposedly yes. If the writers simply forgot, that's just to bad. But if they did remember, and purposfully made T'Pol physically weaker would be stupid, to say the least.
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Old June 2 2014, 04:37 PM   #35
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Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?

Maybe the writers made T'Pol appear less muscular because she thought it'd be unattractive to the male audiences they were targeting.

But Vulcans are supposed to have a denser bone structure and more efficient musculature than humans, so T'Pol absolutely should be stronger than the humans on the ship.
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Old June 5 2014, 12:11 AM   #36
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Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?

It's interesting to note that of the three prisoners Kruge had in his charge on The Genesis Planet, Saavik was the only one he held in any regard - probably due to her strength.
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Old June 5 2014, 11:03 AM   #37
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Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?

JirinPanthosa wrote: View Post
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I think it's reasonable to assume a Vulcan woman is 3 times stronger than a human woman. Since in real life on average women typically have 40-50% the upper body strength as a man, you can say on average a Vulcan woman will be somewhere around the strength of an average to above average man. It never was really revealed to my knowledge, but it wouldn't be surprising to me if T'pol had an upper body strength level comparable to Archer. Considering she probably weighs about half as much (I would guess her to be around 110 LBs, Archer probably at least 200 LBs), that isn't bad.
Is that 40-50% adjusted for amount of training though? Men tend to train more than women and have more physically demanding jobs, I think the difference between an equally trained man and woman is smaller.

I'm looking at the world weightlifting records on Wikipedia and the female world records tend to be more around 70% of male world records. I think we can assume male and female military officers are given the same training.
No its not adjusted. I am going by a stat I read online that an average woman is around 40-50% an average man's strength. How true is it? I don't know, but I assume that to be everyday people the stat refers to. It's just an anecdotal mean for purposes of discussion, not intended to be an absolute fact.

With training, IE if a woman lifted weights as much as frequently as a man did, that 40-50% stat probably can go higher. I don't know if 70% across the board, but probably its at least possible in some categories of lifting.

But if you take the strongest man in the world and strongest woman in the world, I think you will find both are mutants relative to the rest of the population, so not sure that is a good example.

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Old June 5 2014, 05:13 PM   #38
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Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?

It's interesting to note that of the three prisoners Kruge had in his charge on The Genesis Planet, Saavik was the only one he held in any regard - probably due to her strength.
Agreed. Although we could also say he respected the uniform of a fellow warrior and spat on civilians...

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Old June 5 2014, 09:36 PM   #39
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Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?

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It's interesting to note that of the three prisoners Kruge had in his charge on The Genesis Planet, Saavik was the only one he held in any regard - probably due to her strength.
Agreed. Although we could also say he respected the uniform of a fellow warrior and spat on civilians...

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1. Kruge lifted Kirk by the throat with 1 hand, however, the comment was made earlier about gravity fields being in flux.

2. The comment was made regarding the strength of a Vulcan on different worlds in different environments because they come from a high gravity, thin atmosphere world. In the book Uhura's Song, Spock contracts Aspirant Pneumonia on a jungle planet with a very humid atmosphere, which is described as a build up of fluid in the lungs and can be fatal. This implies that just because the gravity is lighter, the Vulcan may not have a physical advantage because of other atmospheric conditions.

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Old June 6 2014, 02:48 PM   #40
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Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?

Indeed, too much oxygen in the air might reduce Spock's performance significantly, perhaps forcing him to take shallow breaths or risk upsetting his acidity balance or whatever...

Kruge's displays of strength were indeed impressive; the struggle with the worms from Spock's coffin would have had little to do with gravity, but seemed to impress Kruge's men. Perhaps bodybuilding was a personal hobby of Kruge's, and performances in front of an audience an opportunity he never could skip? No other Klingon so far has demonstrated such raw upper body strength. (Some of the stunts in ST:ID may hint at great strength, but they could be suggestions of artificial combat exoskeletons, too.)

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