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Old May 21 2014, 01:42 PM   #31
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Thanks guys. When I finish rebuilding my image reference library I should resume making regular progress to report.
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Old May 24 2014, 04:46 PM   #32
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One thing I forgot to mention is that anyone contributing to this project will be credited as each release is published. That means anyone no matter who they are. I personally have interest only in the data set and no interest in the politics in fandom that divides people on these things. I personally wish and prefer everyone would be of the same mind and interest concerning concerning the yielded public information as a result of this. This is nothing but my tossing out the welcome mat for everyone to participate pulling this data together for everyone and everyone share in the collective credit.

Two seasons of stills rebuilt and one to go. After that is line drawings reference.
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Old May 27 2014, 07:08 PM   #33
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Hey there. I recently used the McMasters plans for building a CG rendition of the bridge, and it should be noted that the "dome" sections above each bridge module are arced taller than the McMasters plans indicate.

Not sure if you knew this already, but it's a problem I ran into when doing my CG renditions. Otherwise, the McMasters blueprints proved to be fantastically accurate. Here's a screenshot demonstrating the difference:



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Old May 27 2014, 09:08 PM   #34
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Hey Donny. Yeah the shorter vaulting on the outer ring ceiling in the McMaster plans has been a really big burr under my saddle for me for a long time. As well the aspect proportions on the upper display frames appears less wide and taller in TOS pics verses McMaster which seems shorter in height and wider. It's really pronounced in that same spot on the Exeter bridge which was done from the McMaster plans like the other bridges. The When I dive in on doing the measurements I want to see if that is a indicator of that area of the bridge is not at the exact radius from bridge center or the frame in McMaster is not tall enough. I'm pretty certain it's one of the two. When I did some acetate traces of the upper display frames and compared it against the drawing I could see they were way off. I've decided to use traces to check everything and more is off than I first thought. Not noticeable otherwise. Another thing I want to address is the curved roll top on the outer consoles being abscent in McMaster. Then the screen sizes on the lower part of the outer ring consoles. One thing I want to lock in off the bat is the radial measurements from bridge center. I've already got the vertical measurements. My main concern if there is any variation in the inner bridge ring distance that would contributing to throwing the consoles and thus the upper display frames further out from bridge center causing the mismatch. Other things like the turbolift alcove dimensions are off, the bevel on the turbolift door frame, main viewscreen depth too deep, profile of the helm is off, etc. Things not easy to see unless side by side shots are used to contrast the difference. My main beef is the dimensions and not so much the window dressing on the bridge. There are some details I think do need to be added such as the screen pattern on the lower screen panels on the outer bridge consoles. In short I just want to go back and tighten all the measurements where they look and feel more in tune with the dimensions of TOS stills.

Matt told me about your work and it looks great. I hope the new version of the software makes it easier for you to get the results you been shooting for.
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Old May 31 2014, 06:49 AM   #35
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Progress 5-31: Finished rebuilding my still library into separate set folders. Now to rebuild the line art reference to go with that and I should be ready to resume work on the models by the end of next week.

Previously when handing the transporter model down the spiral stairs to my son, the foam core it is mounted to snapped, and the model crashed and 3 of the zebra panels were broke. The rest of the model survived with no damage. I'll need to rebuild those when I start on modeling the final revision to the chamber ceiling supports. Hoping to make up for lost time. Pic updates to follow.
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Old June 2 2014, 01:10 AM   #36
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This - is - awesome! Fascinating!

I'm impressed seeing the amount of passion for accuracy, this is a great project. Kudos!

While my own deck plan project is still in its WIP infancy, eventually I will have to rely on accurate reproductions.

I'm most curious to see how you will handle Dr. McCoy's office.
Both the "Journey to Babel" set drawing and Matt Jefferies' paper model of the set (much smaller than yours, obviously) had the skull shelf set too far back.

In my main deck 7 draft I had already tried to fix that, but now it seems that the desk is too much in the way.

Again, great job, I'll definitely stay tuned.

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Now that I have all the stills restored I decided to shift focus before diving back in on the transporter room and give some attention to what you mentioned concerning the skull cabinent. Started measuring the Journey To Babel stage plan of McCoy's office and cross checked against all the stills I have of his office, and there is indeed a problem. What I discovered is it begins at the doorway which shows it straight on the side of the skull display case when it is actually matching the same angle of the other side of the door but runs longer and then has a right angle of about 6 inches and a shallower angle of the outer doorside wing of the skull case. In essence it is a flipped reverse of the doorway into Kirk's Quarters office area. I marked out on my printouts the corrected floor plan of the Skull display case and it's matching left and right wings, but ran in to a 9 inch descrepancy between the end of the skull showcase meets up with the wall wall panel next to the door between McCoy's office and The Sickbay Examination Room. So I kept checking against stills of the Examination room and found the "Journey To Babel" blueprints of the wall panels depicted between the 2 doors nearest the corridor is incorrect. And I think I found where the 9 inch error happened on the plans. I'll try to make some corrected drawings of the Examination Room and McCoy's Office floor plans that is corrected from the stills which will depict the Examination room 9 inches less across. Also corrected the left side of the door in the Examination room which is straight and not angled like the right side, and I think this is where the 9 inch error on the plans originated forcing the error ( read fudge...possibly due to not cross checking the previous 2 sets of floor plans of Stage 9 and getting all information measurements from the sets before making the drawings and guessing to fill in the incomplete infromation. ) in McCoy's office Doorway and Skull shelf display.

I trust this is the error you were talking about in the Skull cabinent. But the problem runs much deeper than that causing what I think was a fudge on the part of the Steve Sardanis who drew this sheet for the Stage 9 floor plans. I will have to remeasure those areas from the still corrections on the drawings I'll be revising. I'll have the new meausurements after I get the new drawings done. The ones you see in these two pics here reflect the measurements in the errors in the original drawings.

EDIT: I just pulled out the plans for the "Charlie X" and "Balance Of Terror" and the Examination Room door matches my pencil revisions to the doorway. Nice to be confirmed by 2 previous sets of David Marshall's floor plans. I should have checked them first and saved me an entire afternoon working this out.


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Old June 2 2014, 04:44 PM   #37
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I'm looking forward to your corrected visualization of the skull cabinet with interest.

Another issue I'd like to address is the sickbay door frame. The frame part (nearest to the main corridor) either extends too much or the entire partition wall needs to be thicker.

Here is a screenshot from "The Ultimate Computer" that hopefully illustrates the problem I'm having.

Then the back wall of the transporter room shows two turbo lift options although there was never more than one in the actual footage.

My scepticism towards the accuracy of the "Journey to Babel" plan has increased over time. Where the set parts match the Season One plans you mentioned, I'd think we are on the safe side but for the other areas these should be double-checked, IMHO.

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Old June 2 2014, 08:51 PM   #38
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For now I am going to consider the skull cabinent solved. As to the door between the Examination Room and the Bed Ward I'll check into that this evening. My read from the plans is that wall/ door is 6 inches deep. WARNING: any measurement you see on my copies of the drawings on on any of the first study models I've built do not reflect true measurements of the panels but the exact measurement from divider dead center to divider dead center. So to adjust for what you see subtract 1 inch and 1/2 for the spacer between any of the panels to get a true measurement for the panels on my models.

As to your concerns over the 2 turbolift doors in the corridor at the back of the Transporter Room. Try to think of the Stage 9 plans as a tool to plan the variety of options on how they wanted to dress out each part differently to represent different areas of the ship. Although I do subscribe to the inboard Sick bay Med Lab related sets as all interconnected, I do not hold the same view for the outboard sets being representational of where they sit in the ship due mixing and matching details like you mentioned.

Concerning the previous 2 sets of plans...I got lucky. In the areas of the new sets they are for the most part a close representation of what was standing. But the 2 prior sets are not accurate when it comes to the transporter chamber given the larger number of pads seen in those drawings.
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Old June 3 2014, 01:06 PM   #39
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I checked some stills of that doorway you mentioned and noticed that in some episodes a wall comm panel is set right in the middle if that door threshhold. If you know the size of one of those then you can work up the depth of the threshhold by figuring out how much space is on either side. I'll see if I can find the dimensions of one of those panels. I have yet to research the dimensions of one of those.
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Old June 6 2014, 06:24 AM   #40
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Decided to get a few things off my chest before resuming work in the Transporter Room. This is one of them. Tonight's progress test fitting and eyeballing to match. Tomorrow will be the lower partitions and plumbing boxing it in. Part sizes and alignment will be fine tuned later.



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Old June 18 2014, 04:47 AM   #41
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Progress pics for the past week. Began work on the beveled wall display above the Chief Engineeer's console. In the process I noticed in building left of the console to the door that the Steve Sardanis "Journey To Babel" floor plan for the wall does not agree with the TOS stills. So planning on another session of cross checking stills later when finalizing this part of Engineering. Set that aside for now. Decided to focus on installing finalized panels for the corridors. Spent the past week building panels. Began to install them swapping out with the initial study panels. Ran out of wood strips for the footers and the dividers. So tomorrow night visiting a hobby store to stock up on those. Setting a goal to have the majority of the panels in place before the weekend.









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Old June 18 2014, 07:05 AM   #42
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Lovely work.

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Old June 18 2014, 10:05 AM   #43
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I didn't yet have a good look at the engine room's floor casing holding the dilithium crystal assembly but are the cylindrical tops on the casing both the same size?

Here is a screencap suggesting their size is different.

Keep up this great work.

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Yes they are different sizes and I have modeled them to match. I'll get a pic of it later on tonight of the model so it will be more apparent. But in this shot you provided they are backwards and in the wrong positions due to be wilding out in a previous episode and not being put back where they belong. Since the most we ever saw this equipment used in "Elaan Of Troyius" that is the episode that I am using for the reference for the positions.

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I didn't yet have a good look at the engine room's floor casing holding the dilithium crystal assembly but are the cylindrical tops on the casing both the same size?

Here is a screencap suggesting their size is different.

Keep up this great work.

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Old June 22 2014, 07:50 PM   #45
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This week's progress. Main corridor done. Next up the Transporter and Engineering corridors. Then replacing with the finalized overheads.












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