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Old June 5 2014, 09:38 PM   #121
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Re: The racist legacy of Star Trek

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and maybe gingers.
And the Children Shall Lead is pretty offensive: They tried to depict an old green ghost as an evil being despite the fact he was clearly manipulated by this ginger boy. GINGERS ARE EVIL!
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Old June 6 2014, 01:43 AM   #122
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and maybe gingers.
And the Children Shall Lead is pretty offensive: They tried to depict an old green ghost as an evil being despite the fact he was clearly manipulated by this ginger boy. GINGERS ARE EVIL!
You're forgetting the way McGyvers ruthlessly manipulated Khan and then betrayed him just so she could get him onto that planet and away from all those other mini-skirted hussies.
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Old June 6 2014, 02:04 AM   #123
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I can't believe there are 9 pages of responses to an obvious troll post.
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Old June 6 2014, 02:32 AM   #124
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Back on topic ...

You don't necessarily have to be "color blind." Treat every person you meet as an individual, unique in his own experience. It's that simple. When we start putting people into groups things start to get complicated, and can turn ugly in a hurry.

That's my nugget of wisdom for the day.
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Old June 6 2014, 02:33 AM   #125
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Sorry for the ephemera on a thread with this kind of significance, nominally anyway, but Uhura's role definitely had that tinge as well, in Mirror, Mirror, which I don't think is the episode you're referencing.
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Old June 6 2014, 06:06 AM   #126
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Uhura: Any number of listings (I personally read the first 10) when I Googled "did MLK and Nichelle have a conversation?"...they most certainly did...just like she said...and, I also learned that there was a "black/white"'romance story line with her when she was in "The Lieutenants" that was not allowed to air because of the time and the content...Roddenberry was later quoted as lamenting this, and being determined to make Star Trek as diverse as he was possibly able...

C-3PO...Lucas was a product of his time...Laurel and Hardy, Abbot and Costello, Lenny and George, etc. ...remember, 3PO had a "last name"... Human Cyborg Relations...so he would have been butler/servile-like in his role as translator...Lucas probably LOVED how that whole persona came out...

Troll post or not, each and every one of you Posters should be pleased and proud of your passion and clarity on this topic...I would argue it is the Seminal Human Subject from which all else follows...not disability, not intellect, not region or geography...

...Color

...you can all hold your heads up with the importance and respect you have treated this topic with...I have read every post and am proud of this community...

John

P.S. ...definition of "racism"...

: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
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Old June 6 2014, 06:41 AM   #127
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Re: The racist legacy of Star Trek

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I can't believe there are 9 pages of responses to an obvious troll post.
Seems it worked.
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Old June 6 2014, 12:40 PM   #128
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I can't believe there are 9 pages of responses to an obvious troll post.
Seems it worked.
No, what "worked" was that our community took what was a very antagonistic opening post and turned it into what for the most part is a very healthy discussion.

It's one of the best things about this BBS.
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Old June 6 2014, 09:11 PM   #129
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Also in DS9, in Past Tense we see that the entire moral future of the human race was saved when a black man sacrificed his life to prevent his protest from becoming lethal.
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Old June 6 2014, 09:38 PM   #130
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Uhura: Any number of listings (I personally read the first 10) when I Googled "did MLK and Nichelle have a conversation?"...they most certainly did...just like she said...and, I also learned that there was a "black/white"'romance story line with her when she was in "The Lieutenants" that was not allowed to air because of the time and the content...Roddenberry was later quoted as lamenting this, and being determined to make Star Trek as diverse as he was possibly able...
It's probably a myth that the episode in question, "To Set It Right", was not aired. According to IMDB it premiered on Feb 22, 1964, and is also listed on the website TV Tango on that date and at 8pm.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0631555/...?ref_=tt_dt_dt
http://www.tvtango.com/listings?
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Old June 7 2014, 01:02 AM   #131
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Re: The racist legacy of Star Trek

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STOP THE MADNESS!!!

Crying racist these days in many circumstances is akin to the boy who cried wolf; it is just not the case. Consider the time in which TOS was made; racist, hardly. Race is an important issue but when it is used every time someone farts; it loses all relevance and the argument becomes a joke . . . like this thread.
The only people who are taking any of this seriously are the one who missed the fact that the original post is satire.[/QUOTE]


Is satire code for shit ?

Because thats what the whole opening gambit on this thread is, just shit, plain and simple.
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Old June 7 2014, 05:06 AM   #132
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AustNerevar wrote: View Post
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STOP THE MADNESS!!!

Crying racist these days in many circumstances is akin to the boy who cried wolf; it is just not the case. Consider the time in which TOS was made; racist, hardly. Race is an important issue but when it is used every time someone farts; it loses all relevance and the argument becomes a joke . . . like this thread.
The only people who are taking any of this seriously are the one who missed the fact that the original post is satire.[/QUOTE]


Is satire code for shit ?

Because thats what the whole opening gambit on this thread is, just shit, plain and simple.
I don't know. Whatever elicits this

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And the opening scene in Kevin Smith's "Chasing Amy" featuring Hooper-X addresses this issue in a remarkable way (it's a must-see - and apparently was the inspiration for the OP and Locutus...)
whether folly, foolishness, or just plain FUBAR, can't be all bad!!!!
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Old June 7 2014, 05:54 AM   #133
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Also Doctor M'Benga, not only a Starfleet physician, but also a specialist on Vulcan physiology.
Thank you! I wanted to post this, but couldn't remember his name. As you said, he was no mere doctor, but a specialist!
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Old June 7 2014, 08:45 PM   #134
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Thank you! I wanted to post this, but couldn't remember his name. As you said, he was no mere doctor, but a specialist!
[SATIRE]
See, man! You racist! You a racist!
Can't even remember da' name of a prominent, emminent, and pretty important black man in da' Star Trek universe! M'benga, man! M'benga! You know.....strong, black African brotha with a strong, black African name!
Scream his name, white boy! Scream his naaaaaaame!
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I keeed! I keeeeeeeeeed!
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Old June 7 2014, 09:15 PM   #135
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I do seem to remember in one book that TNG was considered White America in space--but that was stretching it. I remember one reviewer of Trek magazine hated ST II for whatever reason. To each his own.
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