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Old June 4 2014, 04:01 PM   #61
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Re: The racist legacy of Star Trek

Thanks all; this thread has been good for a few laughs during a slow morning at work.
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Old June 4 2014, 04:03 PM   #62
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Re: The racist legacy of Star Trek

I do have a lot of respect for the real Afrika Bambaataa. Mostly because of all he's done for hip-hop and music in general and helping kids stay out of gangs...but also because "Planet Rock" sampled from at least two songs by Kraftwerk.
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Old June 4 2014, 04:18 PM   #63
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Re: The racist legacy of Star Trek

...Could not agree more with the desire of many here to want a spirited, informed, give-and-take discussion on this Board, and within this Thread...too bad we are doing such a good job with each other, and there is nary a sign of the OP...
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Old June 4 2014, 04:50 PM   #64
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Re: The racist legacy of Star Trek

The OP seems the racist one to me. One should learn to be colour blind when it comes to Star Trek.

To quote Kyle Broflovski in the s4 South Park episode Chef Goes Nanners "but the colour of a person's skin doesn't matter."
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Old June 4 2014, 05:24 PM   #65
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The OP seems the racist one to me. One should learn to be colour blind when it comes to Star Trek.

To quote Kyle Broflovski in the s4 South Park episode Chef Goes Nanners "but the colour of a person's skin doesn't matter."

Agreed.
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Old June 4 2014, 05:32 PM   #66
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...Could not agree more with the desire of many here to want a spirited, informed, give-and-take discussion on this Board, and within this Thread...too bad we are doing such a good job with each other, and there is nary a sign of the OP...
The OP wasn't being serious or earnest, hence it did not receive a serious response for the most part and why he or she didn't return to argue the premise of the thread. We've had countless serious discussions about race/gender/ethnicity/religion/sexuality and Star Trek on this board before, so just because one is dismissed as the obvious gag that it is doesn't mean people don't treat those issues seriously and with respect under the right circumstances.

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The OP seems the racist one to me. One should learn to be colour blind when it comes to Star Trek.
I know this wasn't your intent, and that you meant it positively as in everyone should be treated equally (and we should strive for that), so forgive me for using your post as a starting point, but while it makes a nice soundbite, being "color blind" doesn't actually solve anything or address the very real problem of racial inequality we face in the world today. It sweeps uncomfortable issues under the rug by pretending that race (artificial construct though it is) is not a major or even the dominant factor in the continuing interpersonal and institutional inequality and injustice faced by minorities around the world.
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Old June 4 2014, 05:38 PM   #67
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And the opening scene in Kevin Smith's "Chasing Amy" featuring Hooper-X addresses this issue in a remarkable way (it's a must-see - and apparently was the inspiration for the OP and Locutus... )
Nothing gets by you, Bob.
You did a great job paraphrasing Hooper-X by putting it into a satirical Star Trek context ("skinhead" ), but I felt the urge to share Kevin Smith's little masterpiece with everyone who hasn't seen it yet.

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The OP has presented food for thought, so I couldn't possibly find fault with that. But, then again, discussing Andrew Probert's Enterprise-C has become a forbidden topic in two sections of this forum, so I don't know anymore.
What could be a problem about discussing ship designs? I don't go to the art forums much, but what could be a problem with the subject?
The problem was that we had seen Andrew Probert’s original design for the Enterprise-C for four seasons as a golden sculpture in the conference lounge aboard the Enterprise-D but the different Rick Sternbach Enterprise-C as the actual VFX model in “Yesterday’s Enterprise”.

Being fed up with claims that only the Sternbach “C” is canon, I investigated the issue trying to prove that both are / can be canon, assuming that events in “Yesterday’s Enterprise” did not just take place in a changed timeline of our universe but instead a “parallel universe” (director David Carson!). Near the end of both threads, I was able to present Guinan’s and Sela’s statements from “Redemption II”, allowing indeed the conclusion of a parallel universe because their accounts did not match what had actually happened in “Yesterday’s Enterprise”.

Very early on it was obvious that my proposal had characteristics of a heresy, just by looking at the various comments of those who rejected the mere idea. It even got the point where the opposers actually had the audacity to ask the moderators to close the thread!

Why the TNG thread was closed is still beyond me. It had finally calmed down to the point where a decent and fair discussion had become possible.
The Fan Art thread (because a CGI video of Probert’s “C” had just popped up at the same time) was probably closed because it got off-topic (discussing Star Trek time travel scenarios) and some of the opposers got themselves into a fight.

To cut a long story short: While I would think that Star Trek fans in general are tolerant and open-minded, I think it’s fair to say that what transpired in those two threads suggests rather differently.

Back to the original topic of this thread I’d like to add this: Just because someone thinks to be a fan of Star Trek doesn’t automatically make him or her a tolerant and open-minded person.

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Old June 4 2014, 05:46 PM   #68
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Re: The racist legacy of Star Trek

Regarding the failure of the OP to return to the thread, keep in mind that the thread is less than 24 hours old. That being said, it does have the appearance of a hit-and-run, simply because it's the only post from the member and it's phrased in such an antagonistic manner.

Everyone should remember, however, that this isn't TNZ, and we can't take potshots at other posters. I'm not calling anyone out, I'm just saying that "a word to the wise is sufficient".
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Old June 4 2014, 05:53 PM   #69
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And the opening scene in Kevin Smith's "Chasing Amy" featuring Hooper-X addresses this issue in a remarkable way (it's a must-see - and apparently was the inspiration for the OP and Locutus... )
Nothing gets by you, Bob.
You did a great job paraphrasing Hooper-X by putting it into a satirical Star Trek context ("skinhead" ), but I felt the urge to share Kevin Smith's little masterpiece with everyone who hasn't seen it yet.
That's fine. I just thought the roll-eyes after my name in your previous post meant that you didn't like that I used the parody in this instance. My apologies if that wasn't the case.
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Old June 4 2014, 06:05 PM   #70
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(C-3PO acts a lot like an African American stereotype in early films and series)

Huh?? C-3PO talked and acted like a fussy English butler. You must be thinking of a different robot.
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Old June 4 2014, 06:08 PM   #71
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I know this wasn't your intent, and that you meant it positively as in everyone should be treated equally (and we should strive for that), so forgive me for using your post as a starting point, but while it makes a nice soundbite, being "color blind" doesn't actually solve anything or address the very real problem of racial inequality we face in the world today. It sweeps uncomfortable issues under the rug by pretending that race (artificial construct though it is) is not a major or even the dominant factor in the continuing interpersonal and institutional inequality and injustice faced by minorities around the world.
I don't think he meant it that way. He meant that you should be color-blind when dealing with anyone. You shouldn't factor in race at all when you speak to, do business with, or employ someone. I don't think he meant that you should ignore how races are treated in various parts of the world.
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Old June 4 2014, 06:11 PM   #72
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you should be color-blind when dealing with anyone. You shouldn't factor in race at all when you speak to, do business with, or employ someone.
That's harder than you think.
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Old June 4 2014, 06:15 PM   #73
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I know this wasn't your intent, and that you meant it positively as in everyone should be treated equally (and we should strive for that), so forgive me for using your post as a starting point, but while it makes a nice soundbite, being "color blind" doesn't actually solve anything or address the very real problem of racial inequality we face in the world today. It sweeps uncomfortable issues under the rug by pretending that race (artificial construct though it is) is not a major or even the dominant factor in the continuing interpersonal and institutional inequality and injustice faced by minorities around the world.
I don't think he meant it that way. He meant that you should be color-blind when dealing with anyone. You shouldn't factor in race at all when you speak to, do business with, or employ someone. I don't think he meant that you should ignore how races are treated in various parts of the world.
Read my first sentence again.
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Old June 4 2014, 06:16 PM   #74
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(C-3PO acts a lot like an African American stereotype in early films and series)

Huh?? C-3PO talked and acted like a fussy English butler. You must be thinking of a different robot.
It's satire. OP wasn't serious. Or doesn't genuinely believe his claims.

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Read my first sentence again.
I saw this, but thought you just meant that said that without thinking about it. I could say what he said meaning it the way you explained, but not have thought it fully through and noticing the racist slant.

I was implying that the poster had an entirely different meaning entirely.

I hope that makes some sense. My words are kind of convoluted, here.
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Old June 4 2014, 06:23 PM   #75
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Plus or minus a likely apocryphal story about Nichelle Nichols and Martin Luther King -- what BigJake said.
At this point I really don't care if that MLK/Nichelle thing even happened. The point is she did get to play the part, and did it well. Let her embellish the retelling of it all she wants.
Nichelle's MLK story is like the prize fish someone claims they caught but you never see -- it just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
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