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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old May 28 2014, 09:44 PM   #31
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...I was going to check on the wording of that "All officers to the bridge" announcement, but found Chrissie Lucking's excellent "Chakoteya" page of transcripts gone, usurped by some sort of a shoe ad.

TrekCore of course has the penultimate script version, with Saavik instead of Valeris. No help there, then. And at this time of the night, I'm not gonna rewatch. But I'd hazard the guess that while "All officers to the bridge" is a valid command in modern or recent naval practice, in the Trek context it means more like "all department heads report in, and then send in your subordinates if need be". Or perhaps "All officers who have bridge duty, snap to it now - your free time has been cancelled".

Agreed that "Deck Five, Officers' Quarters" is an indication that Deck 5 is vast and contains multiple facilities and thus needs some further "where on that deck exactly" cues, and not an indication that Deck 5 equals Officers' Quarters!

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Old May 28 2014, 09:55 PM   #32
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...Whew, Chrissie's site is back (dunno what happened). And the PA about all officers reporting in isn't really followed by even all the main officer characters reporting in - so it's probably a case of all the officers who are supposed to be reporting in responding.

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Old May 28 2014, 10:00 PM   #33
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Re: "...and another thing..."...besides what?

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but modern day aircraft carriers contain thousands of crew, don't they? Much more than a Constitution-class ship would, at any rate. And yet a carrier's entire complement of officers can fit in one room quite easily. There's a dozen, maybe two. So it makes sense that a ship with a smaller crew also could manage this.
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Old May 28 2014, 10:14 PM   #34
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...The officers seen during TOS wouldn't fit on the bridge at the same time! This just reflects the fact that Starfleet has a much higher officer-to-crew ratio than any navy of today.

Heck, more officers died during Kirk's TOS adventures than would have comfortably fit aboard the bridge.

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Old May 29 2014, 01:06 AM   #35
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Now correct me if I'm wrong, but modern day aircraft carriers contain thousands of crew, don't they? Much more than a Constitution-class ship would, at any rate. And yet a carrier's entire complement of officers can fit in one room quite easily. There's a dozen, maybe two.
Oh God no. The carrier has around 200 officers, the air wing maybe 250, and the flag staff another couple dozen. They have to have three wardrooms to serve them all.
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Old May 29 2014, 04:15 AM   #36
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It does seem odd that Kirk uses his quarters for this sort of thing. Did he not have a ready room?
No he did not.
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Old May 29 2014, 12:39 PM   #37
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Perhaps he did. With three different decks identified as accommodating the Captain, it could easily be argued that the rooms met different needs.

Clearly, Deck 1 cannot accommodate any further, "private" rooms besides the bridge itself. (Heck, possibly it cannot accommodate the bridge, either, and the structure is in fact sunken at least halfway down Deck 2!) So any room intended to allow Kirk to catch a nap, undre... I mean, dress down one of his crew, or formulate a devious plan in secret from even his own officers would still be a turbolift ride away. Would Deck 2 be any better than Deck 12 as a location for such a room in that case?

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Old May 29 2014, 08:58 PM   #38
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Isn't there a line from Chekov (when the Intruder Alert signals the arrival of the Ilia-probe) where he says, "Deck Five, Captain--Officers' Quarters"...? That would indicate that (at least in the freshly-refurbished Enterprise), all the officers were on Deck 5.
I'd say that Kirk's were also on Deck 5 in TMP, as I'd assume that Ilia was on the wey to her quarters when she and Decker bumped into each other.
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Old May 29 2014, 09:22 PM   #39
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I think the deck by-deck listing given by Shane Johnson (and possibly determined by Andrew Probert already) took a bit too many cues from TOS...

For example, SJ says there is a brig on Deck 2, for prisoners to be moved off the ship through the upper docking port; this is an apparent misreading of "The Enterprise Incident" where the Romulan Commander thinks she will be taken to the brig, and Kirk then orders her to be escorted to Deck 2. SJ or perhaps AP appears to have missed the fact that she is not going to the brig she expected, but to guest quarters!

Deck 3 or C is the lowermost deck in the superstructure, but Deck 4 or D on the saucer isn't particularly wide or credited with anything important. Yet it would seem logical to house the top officers and their assistants in the superstructure (as per the TOS suggestion of McCoy and perhaps Rand living there) since there's plenty of room, and then have lower-ranking officers on lower decks, and crew on the widest decks (F and G, that is, 6 and 7).

FWIW, SJ lists the color codes for saucer decks as

4/D brown
5/E red
6/F silver
7/G white
8/H light blue
9/I yellow

Whether this is a designer intent, or just something the movie as filmed can be interpreted to support, I'm not sure. But this would seem to establish Kirk and Decker's first meeting as taking place on Deck 7 (very white), and their cabin confrontation on Deck 4 (orangish).

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Old May 29 2014, 09:23 PM   #40
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I'd say that Kirk's were also on Deck 5 in TMP [...]
I'm pretty sure you're right. When Kirk wants to have a private word with Decker after the wormhole, as mentioned in the OP, he calls for "level five" in the lift.
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Old May 29 2014, 11:39 PM   #41
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Oh... What happened to the post I thought I was responding to?

Yes, "Level 5" seems pretty clear, and the orangish walls would fit SJ's (AP's) model. At this point of the story, Kirk probably has had time to get to know the ship a bit better (it's been hours since he left Earth), so he isn't blindly headed towards the deck where he left his quarters 2.5 years ago, he's headed towards the den he has claimed for himself earlier that day. Whether it's his or Decker's, and whether that means it's the official Admiral's or Captain's Quarters or Office or something less permanent, is left open.

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Old May 30 2014, 12:26 AM   #42
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FWIW, on the old David Kimble cutatway Enterprise poster which decorated my bedroom wall in my teens, the space labeled captain's quarters looks like the room where Kirk, Decker and McCoy meet.
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Old May 30 2014, 06:40 AM   #43
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I put more stock in the Kimble drawing, as I think Probert had more input into that than the Johnson book.

The Kimble drawing had the two decks above the saucer main deck with the padded brownish/orange walls (which seemed to make those decks a little more comfortable looking), with the rest of the decks being more of a silvery white. I think the corridors outside of engineering were the same color, but just bathed in blue light. This only applied to TMP, for TWOK/SFS the padding seem to have been lost and the silvery white replaced with a metallic red for every deck.
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Old May 30 2014, 08:37 AM   #44
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It would be interesting to know whether the original plan was to have a large number of different color-panels for distinguishing the "different decks" represented by the corridor set; just the one panel and then set lighting to create the differences, in true 1960s television style; or whether the color coding thing is complete bunk and the intent always was to just go for padded vs. bare... (In-universe, I'd assume Starfleet would have wanted the latter.)

We know that the Kirk/Spock/McCoy chat was originally supposed to be filmed against the visually impressive background of the big "Officers' Lounge" windows, but the effects proved prohibitively expensive for the time. Hence the action was moved to a more confining set, nevertheless situated somewhere "aft" for the starstreak view. It would make plenty of sense for this place to be Captain's Quarters, since neither Kirk nor McCoy would see the point of going to a Lounge that isn't even fitted with a regulation bartender yet, and Spock would be disgusted at the idea of recreational comfort!

But the set still contains table-and-chairs clusters that would seem out of place either in a personal cabin or in the public reception section thereof. And if the heroes had one resource, it was time. They could wander the corridors of the nearly empty and unfinished ship in an attempt to quell their anxiety, as the "few minutes of sheer terror" were still ahead. Checking out the facility that one day would be Officers' Lounge might be an idea suggested by McCoy, despite the drawbacks. Or then our heroes went all the way to the Rec Deck, where windows like that would be found.

(Or, really, the Officers' Lounge could be where we think the Rec Deck is, at the back of the saucer, because the Rec Deck cannot be there - it's too high for the saucer rim. But if the Rec Deck windows are mere viewscreens, then the ones at the Officers' Lounge could be, too, and any arbitrary location would do.)

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Now correct me if I'm wrong, but modern day aircraft carriers contain thousands of crew, don't they? Much more than a Constitution-class ship would, at any rate. And yet a carrier's entire complement of officers can fit in one room quite easily. There's a dozen, maybe two.
Oh God no. The carrier has around 200 officers, the air wing maybe 250, and the flag staff another couple dozen. They have to have three wardrooms to serve them all.
Oh.

This is what I get for using The Final Countdown as a reference...

Well that's a steel-toed boot to the ego, then.
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