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Old May 16 2014, 08:53 PM   #16
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Re: Set blueprint exchange

The corridor is now in the enterprise e section, and the renamed klingon stv bridge is in its own klingon album

I've just found a new set of voyager set plans (53 images!) and I've uploaded them to the voyager flickr ablum (scroll down for the newer stuff): https://www.flickr.com/photos/998788...7644597012434/

Added:
Alternate Future Admiral Janeway's timey-wimey shuttle (I can't think of the vessel name)
Damaged bridge (as appeared in "The Caretaker")
Undamaged bridge
Delta flyer interiors
Mess hall and tables
crew quarters
shuttle class 2 interiors
astrometric lab (set plans and set model)
corridor walls
engineering console profile
science lab
transporter room (with clear and legible numbers)
turbo lift

Also, Count, is it ok if I add the set plans you provided to the flickr albums? I would add a description to each image of "Provided by Count of Trek BBS"
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Old May 17 2014, 09:07 AM   #17
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Re: Set blueprint exchange

Great to see the Astrometrics lab and Delta Flyer, thanks!
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Old May 17 2014, 02:00 PM   #18
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Re: Set blueprint exchange

Hey Red General, sure, go nuts on the blueprints.

Nice on the voyager ones, pity the turbolift and transporter pad measurements are not legible, I'd love to get confirmation on whether the turbolifts are 10' wide or not.

Oh well.

I'll keep looking for blueprints, I've been focusing heavily on the E-E recently as well as the missing Rotarran blueprints I did have, will post em as I find em.
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Old May 17 2014, 08:40 PM   #19
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Re: Set blueprint exchange

If you look at the set plans the turbolifts are wider than the corridors - and those have been 8' wide since the days of TMP. Since every Trek series basically used those same sets with just minor tweaks, I'd say it's a safe bet that the turbolifts were not 10' wide.
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Old May 18 2014, 03:13 AM   #20
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See, the thing about that is, the corridors are actually wider then 8', they're definitely 8' tall, but they're closer to 10' wide (Using voyager as a reference, the corridors were practically square, so I use 9' in my width for mappings that fits with the door dimensions for single and double doors sans-ten forward).
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Old May 19 2014, 09:17 AM   #21
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Re: Set blueprint exchange

A few more sets to search for if you can find them (apart from the FC corridor/engineering set up)

Enterprise-E bridge airlock (First Contact only)
Voyager Shuttlebay
Enterprise-D airlock (1001001).
Enterprise-E "Major" Jefferies tube (The other segment that Lily and Picard have the standoff in)
Enterprise-E captain's yacht dock.

This lot on Christie's: http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/l...jectID=4779575 seemed to have all the E-E sets we were looking for, I can't find images attached to it though, but at least it's a start. Maybe we can search by lot numbers somewhere. Or someone knows who bought it.
Alternatively, the missing E-E sets may be in the Star Trek sketchbook according to memory-beta, but I can't find it in store anywhere: http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/St...ok:_The_Movies
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Old May 19 2014, 03:45 PM   #22
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Re: Set blueprint exchange

This turbolift plan (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/14200411555/) - the number at the bottom looks to be 5' 5" to my eye (though it is hard to tell)

I've just bought a copy of the the star trek sketchbook : the movies (£2 used) and hopefully should get it soon. If there are any blueprints inside I will scan and upload.
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Old May 19 2014, 10:49 PM   #23
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Some more flickr updates, additional set plans plus images from the Count's photobucket (link earlier in the thread)

A set blueprint from the wrath of Kahn, but I'm not sure what the set is
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/14222662762/

The Motion Picture Klingon Bridge View Screen:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/14224834214/


TNG album has been updated - added images from Count and also the arboretum from Data's day (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/14225016285/) - does the arboretum appear in any other episode (including reuse as something else)?


NX Enterprise album: https://www.flickr.com/photos/998788...7644182742028/
Added:
Sweet spot set plan
Set sketches (most not to scale, but gives a nice overview with some detail)


DS9 Album updated: https://www.flickr.com/photos/998788...7644622300365/
As well as adding images from Count's upload, I've also added

Ops set model - this was made by glueing a photocopy of the set plans onto foamboard and then cutting it up. As a result it still has some measurements written on it
Bajoran temple A set model
Bajoran Temple B set model
Bajoran conference room from "the seige" - same as ops, has measurements on it
Stage 18 - runabout, holosuit, saratoga bridge, cardassian ship, and monastary from the first episode - https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/14037979799/
Stage 7 - what you leave behind - https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/14224442394/

Bajoran ship and captains yacht (labelled as such, but I can't think of any captain yacht that used this set on DS9)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/998788...n/photostream/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/998788...n/photostream/



Thanks to Count there is now a new album, the Romulan DS9 ship interior album
https://www.flickr.com/photos/998788...7644697519126/


And the TNG romulan ship album gains Mendak's ready room (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/14225040025/) - I think it was used instead of a full bridge set in "Data's Day"



I found some early Phase II set concepts (some with dimensions) - Although Phase II was cancelled, some sets such as the phase II engineering was converted to TMP engineering
https://www.flickr.com/photos/998788...7644337724639/

The command deck (is a bridge? conference room? both?) makes me think of the TMP klingon bridge, I wonder if it was built and converted or simply used as a drawing base. https://www.flickr.com/photos/998788...57644337724639

Phase II shuttle - views of all sides and cross sections - nice looking but seems a bit cramped
https://www.flickr.com/photos/998788...7644337590977/
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Old May 19 2014, 11:09 PM   #24
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Re: Set blueprint exchange

I've just bought a copy of the the star trek sketchbook : the movies (£2 used) and hopefully should get it soon. If there are any blueprints inside I will scan and upload.
Nice! I can't find any locally, but from what that link I sent before reads, the complete Enterprise-B sets, the Enterprise-E engineering/corridors, airlock and deflector sets, should all be in that book.




This turbolift plan (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/14200411555/) - the number at the bottom looks to be 5' 5" to my eye (though it is hard to tell)
Cool, that does look like 5'5", so that means that the turbolift carriage is 10'10" in diameter.

A set blueprint from the wrath of Kahn, but I'm not sure what the set is
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99878876@N02/14222662762[/COLOR]
Regula I transporter room.

There was no Yacht in DS9 except for the solar sailer, I believe, based roughly on the shape, that it may in fact be the Captain's Yacht set from Insurrection, the shape is roughly right. But it could have been redressed enough that it makes it hard to tell.

That Stage 7 set, I believe is the fire caves and the cardassian central command room, but the corridors are missing.
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Old May 20 2014, 12:29 AM   #25
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Thanks for that info.
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Old May 20 2014, 01:33 AM   #26
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Re: Set blueprint exchange

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Cool, that does look like 5'5", so that means that the turbolift carriage is 10'10" in diameter.

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See, to my eye that fuzzy collection pixels looks like "4' 3"" for a diameter 8'6", which seems more likely to me.

So, here's a quick and dirty study of the Turbo lift image. I skewed the image to compensate roughly for the angle of the photograph.



The yellow box is the measurement I understand to be in question. I read it as 4' 3" and the (presumably six foot tall) Tuvok on the left is scaled to the assumption of 4' 3".

If the measurement is 5" 5" then the little six foot tall Tuvok on the right is more or less correct.

The center, tallest six foot tall Tuvok is scaled assuming that the 4' 3" figure is actually meant to extend from the turbolift center to the outer wall rather than the point where the vertical line is. This is the one that looks closest to me.

What do you think, sirs?


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Old May 20 2014, 03:12 AM   #27
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Cool, that does look like 5'5", so that means that the turbolift carriage is 10'10" in diameter.

...
See, to my eye that fuzzy collection pixels looks like "4' 3"" for a diameter 8'6", which seems more likely to me.

So, here's a quick and dirty study of the Turbo lift image. I skewed the image to compensate roughly for the angle of the photograph.



The yellow box is the measurement I understand to be in question. I read it as 4' 3" and the (presumably six foot tall) Tuvok on the left is scaled to the assumption of 4' 3".

If the measurement is 5" 5" then the little six foot tall Tuvok on the right is more or less correct.

The center, tallest six foot tall Tuvok is scaled assuming that the 4' 3" figure is actually meant to extend from the turbolift center to the outer wall rather than the point where the vertical line is. This is the one that looks closest to me.

What do you think, sirs?


--Alex
Looks about righ with what i've got. I've measured hte turbolift doors as 6'8" roughly (or 6'4" on some TNG doors) based on Jonathan Frakes profile shots, and the doors are roughly 3'-3'4" wide. So that jives with what you're seeing.

In my original 3d models, i had the widest point of the turbolifts at an even 10' and it looked about right. But if we revise the radius to 4'3" then 8'6" then i'd say the widest point is roughly 9' or so, possibly 9'5". Which is why 10' would look ok from a distance.

height wise, that diagram seemed to say 12'1" as the elevation on the bottom right, but someone would need to double check that for me
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Old May 20 2014, 03:39 AM   #28
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Re: Set blueprint exchange

^^^
I don't think that's true. I think the overall diameter of 8' 6" is correct. Actors in the set seem to have their shoulders near the bottom of the upper padded area. This is where big Tuvok ends up in my analysis. The larger the diameter, the smaller the people are gonna look.

I'm not sure what lower right note you're seeing is, but the note I'm seeing is just a scale note. It says "Elevation/Section @ CL (Centerline) 1/2" - 1' 0" " I don't see anything about 12' 1", where are you seeing that?

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Old May 20 2014, 04:05 AM   #29
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^^^
I don't think that's true. I think the overall diameter of 8' 6" is correct. Actors in the set seem to have their shoulders near the bottom of the upper padded area. This is where big Tuvok ends up in my analysis. The larger the diameter, the smaller the people are gonna look.

I'm not sure what lower right note you're seeing is, but the note I'm seeing is just a scale note. It says "Elevation/Section @ CL (Centerline) 1/2" - 1' 0" " I don't see anything about 12' 1", where are you seeing that?

--Alex
which bit isnt true? the door sizes or the diameter? It's possible they're narrower than 9, but from how i read that diagram, the 4'3" explicitly refers to the narrowest part of the elevator.

Yea, and i may have misread the elevation section bit.
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Old May 20 2014, 04:24 PM   #30
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Re: Set blueprint exchange

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Yeah, I couldn't say without a better look at that print. I think we're reading it right with 4' 3" and you're right about how the dimension seems marked. But, the mid-scale Tuvok in my illustration is correct for that dimension to be 4' 3"... and you can see how small he seems.

This why I feel the overall dimension is 4' 3", because the Tuvok scaled to that assumption looks pretty good.

So, what's going on?

Off the top of my head, there are seversl possibiliries. 1) The line was drawn wrong and it's a draftsman's error. 2) The prints are from an earlier planning stage and were changed, built differently for some reason. 3) We are reading it correctly, but there is some other info on another sheet or not visible on this one at this angle in this low resolution. 4) My angle correction is WAY more off than I think likely.

In any case, an 8.5 foot (maybe 9) turbolift seems much more likely than a 10 or 11 foot one. This would also be more in fitting with the lifts from every other version of Trek. Also, when watching the show, the set just doesn't look that big.

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