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Old May 15 2014, 06:06 PM   #76
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Re: Did Roddenberry Really Write "The Cage"?

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He's somewhere in between the sinner Solow claims and the saint Nichols suggests.
I believe the word for that is "human."
What he said.
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Old May 16 2014, 01:26 AM   #77
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I thought fandom was over the demonisation of Roddenberry!

I get that he was over-idolised in the first 25 years of Trek, but the way people speak of him nowadays...

Sorry, I have a real issue with all of these "friends" and "co-workers" who worshipped him when he was alive, and it was only till he was dead took the opportunity to tell tales, stab him in the back etc when he has no chance to defend himself or put forward his side of the story. As Majel Barrett once said in an interview (quoting Gene): "Consider the source".

Don't get me wrong, yes, a lot of the stories and things we've learned suggest he was a deeply flawed human being - but now we get to people accusing of him being talentless, or not even responsible for Star Trek etc etc...

I really hope for the 50th anniversary we can get a more objective, honest documentary and/or book about Roddenberry than has been written in the last 50 years.
Is it the objective warts&all bio where Tracy Torme tells the story about GR waxing (not whacking, though that probably figure into it a little earlier in the scene) poetic in the Hart Building about stream after stream of ejaculate shooting forth ... ?
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Old May 16 2014, 01:58 AM   #78
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^^^I remember the story as "wave after wave." But I'm sure I've said more than a few gross things in my life, so...

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Old May 16 2014, 02:01 AM   #79
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I stand corrected, as soon as I saw that wave you wrote, it all came crashing back (fortunately, not onto me.)
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Old May 16 2014, 02:47 AM   #80
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Re: Did Roddenberry Really Write "The Cage"?

There's a proper use of the word "objective," and then there's the sloppy colloquial one.
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Old May 16 2014, 04:41 AM   #81
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Re: Did Roddenberry Really Write "The Cage"?

So, I'm confused, is it GR or Oswald who killed the script of Harlan Ellison?
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Old May 16 2014, 05:01 AM   #82
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There's a proper use of the word "objective," and then there's the sloppy colloquial one.
As we're talking about ejaculate, the sloppy one seems to fit.

But thanks for caring enough to notice.
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Old May 16 2014, 05:02 AM   #83
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So, I'm confused, is it GR or Oswald who killed the script of Harlan Ellison?
If we keep going on this, GR is going to turn out to be the guy on the grassy knoll (or at least he hired somebody to ghost-shoot for him that day.)
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Old May 18 2014, 02:38 PM   #84
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Roddenberry was a successful TV freelancer who'd sold a boatload of scripts, had won an award, and previously sold a series. Frankly, the writing in "The Cage" isn't that wonderful. The ideas are better than the dialog (which totally smacks of Gene). As such I have little trouble believing it's Roddenberry's work, even if he got a lot of notes.
Not to mention that he flew 89 combat missions in WW2 as a USAAF bomber pilot, for which he was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Air Medal, flew commercial airliners for Pan-Am, and attained the rank of sergeant in the Los Angeles Police Department. The guy had already lived one hell of a life long before he had ever dreamed of creating Star Trek, and he will always be one of my heroes, no matter how much of a "jerk" he may or may not have been. There is a good reason why the people of his time are known as the Greatest Generation.
Yes, but today is all about tearing people down and playing up their "flaws". There is no such thing as "heroes" anymore. I can't remember anymore when it started, but it's been that way for at least a decade. If not a little longer.

I personally hope it stops.
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Old May 18 2014, 02:55 PM   #85
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He's somewhere in between the sinner Solow claims and the saint Nichols suggests.
I believe the word for that is "human."
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