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Old May 17 2014, 05:20 AM   #46
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(who's an employee of Peter's new company Parker Enterprises)
Mind you that was only created last December...
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Old May 17 2014, 03:29 PM   #47
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I would like to think that their reasoning is much the same as that which dictates that we won't get Jean-Paul Valley as Batman; namely that to the general public Peter Parker IS Spider-man or Bruce Wayne IS Batman and that (as far as the studios are concerned anyway) most people have no real interest in another character assuming that mantle.
Considering Ben Reilly it probably is this.

TDKR ended with another character assuming Batman's mantle (though he hasn't gotten a spin-off movie and presumably won't, given that Ben Affleck is now Batman/Wayne).
Which doesn't make this a good example.

It might also be interesting to see what happens if Sebastian Stan's Bucky Barnes takes over as Captain America or Don Cheadle as Iron Man. Will this prove that audiences are interested in the superhero mantle, not the man behind the mask?
Didn't Marvel already say they would recast characters when needed, so that doesn't sound like they are planing on legacy characters, especially since by the time they would conceivably do this it will have been awhile since Rhodes and Barnes had their brief stints.

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Mind you that was only created last December...
And from some fan speculation is that it's not likely to last too much longer.
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Old May 17 2014, 05:40 PM   #48
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^ I think Marvel may have confirmed that they'll recast rather than reboot but there's talk that Sebastian Stan has signed a 6 or 9 pic deal (can't remember which). Which has led to speculation that he'll assume the Captain America mantle for a movie or two.
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Old May 17 2014, 05:54 PM   #49
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I would like to think that their reasoning is much the same as that which dictates that we won't get Jean-Paul Valley as Batman; namely that to the general public Peter Parker IS Spider-man or Bruce Wayne IS Batman and that (as far as the studios are concerned anyway) most people have no real interest in another character assuming that mantle.
Considering Ben Reilly it probably is this.

TDKR ended with another character assuming Batman's mantle (though he hasn't gotten a spin-off movie and presumably won't, given that Ben Affleck is now Batman/Wayne).
Which doesn't make this a good example.



Didn't Marvel already say they would recast characters when needed, so that doesn't sound like they are planing on legacy characters, especially since by the time they would conceivably do this it will have been awhile since Rhodes and Barnes had their brief stints.

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Mind you that was only created last December...
And from some fan speculation is that it's not likely to last too much longer.
But then again, this would be in the movie universe, so there doesn't have to be any real connectivity with the comics books at all other than the use of both characters.
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Old May 17 2014, 06:10 PM   #50
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^ Yes, but I imagine that the original point was that film makers are unlikely to feel beholden to a plot point which is short-lived and not particularly successful.
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Old May 18 2014, 12:25 AM   #51
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^Well, the 'whole universe' thing seems unlikely, given that Kingpin and Ben Urich appeared in the Daredevil film (Fox owned that character at the time, IIRC).
If I recall, the Kingpin character had some special contract issues that allowed his IP to be shared, similar to how both Marvel and FOX are using Quicksilver in their upcoming films. This is due to Kingpin's appearance in multiple media, not just Spider-Man. It's possible that Sony might have access to Kingpin.

EDIT: Did a Google, and it turns out Sony does indeed own Kingpin, and allowed him to appear in FOX's Daredevil as a "loan".
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/avengers/news/?a=80039

During an interview with Avi Arad, Arad stated that the rights to the Kingpin were on "loan" to FOX for the Daredevil movie and now they have returned to Sony. So, apparently, film rights can go on "loan" to other studios. This bypasses some problems that might show up with the legal issues of using the characters. Put the rights to the character on loan.
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Old May 18 2014, 01:32 AM   #52
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Peter Parker should be a CEO about as much as Clark Kent should be a drug dealer, or Bruce Wayne a truck-stop waitress....
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Old May 19 2014, 04:08 AM   #53
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Considering how the new spider man movies are actually underperforming, Sony probably would have done better trying something new.
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Old May 19 2014, 04:41 AM   #54
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^ When you take into account the significantly smaller paychecks they're no doubt handing over to the new cast and crew, plus the growing international market, the new series is doing just fine. Yes, there is some domestic fatigue lowering the domestic take, but Raimi's movies didn't have the Marvel Studios competition, and there's no reason to think scrapping Peter Parker would have overcome the negatives.
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Old May 19 2014, 04:50 AM   #55
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^ Yes, but I imagine that the original point was that film makers are unlikely to feel beholden to a plot point which is short-lived and not particularly successful.
Besides if Barnes and Rhodes stay in their current identities Marvel could end up with enough characters to do a Secret Avengers movie.
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Old May 19 2014, 12:30 PM   #56
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<<When you take into account the significantly smaller paychecks they're no doubt handing over to the new cast and crew, plus the growing international market, the new series is doing just fine. Yes, there is some domestic fatigue lowering the domestic take, but Raimi's movies didn't have the Marvel Studios competition, and there's no reason to think scrapping Peter Parker would have overcome the negatives. >>

Spider-Man Budgets:
SPM1 - 140m. SPM2 - 200m. SPM3 - 258m.
ASM1 - 230m. ASM2 - 250m.

They're just as expensive.

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Old May 19 2014, 06:01 PM   #57
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^Well, the 'whole universe' thing seems unlikely, given that Kingpin and Ben Urich appeared in the Daredevil film (Fox owned that character at the time, IIRC).
If I recall, the Kingpin character had some special contract issues that allowed his IP to be shared, similar to how both Marvel and FOX are using Quicksilver in their upcoming films. This is due to Kingpin's appearance in multiple media, not just Spider-Man. It's possible that Sony might have access to Kingpin.

EDIT: Did a Google, and it turns out Sony does indeed own Kingpin, and allowed him to appear in FOX's Daredevil as a "loan".
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/avengers/news/?a=80039

During an interview with Avi Arad, Arad stated that the rights to the Kingpin were on "loan" to FOX for the Daredevil movie and now they have returned to Sony. So, apparently, film rights can go on "loan" to other studios. This bypasses some problems that might show up with the legal issues of using the characters. Put the rights to the character on loan.
The Sony Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon couldn't use Kingpin and according to the producers, it was because the Spider-man contract that Sony had didn't have the rights to him.
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Old May 19 2014, 11:24 PM   #58
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Re: Race & Spider-Man: Sony Confirms a Glass Ceiling for Miles Morales

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The Sony Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon couldn't use Kingpin and according to the producers, it was because the Spider-man contract that Sony had didn't have the rights to him.
That's television rights though, and may have been covered under a different contract. That show ended before the television rights reverted back to Marvel. I believe Marvel has exclusive television rights to all characters at this point.

This includes live-action, meaning technically Spider-Man could appear on Agents of SHIELD, but Sony still owns the likeness and appearance of Spider-Man, so they'd have to work around that. Marvel's better off leaving it alone.
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Old May 19 2014, 11:43 PM   #59
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I posted this a while back

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Kevin Feige says Marvel Studios do have the rights to Kingpin

This was for those confused about whether SONY had the sole rights to the character or not.
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Does Sony even care about Kingpin? Since he still hasn't appeared in a Spiderman movie, I guess not!
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Old May 20 2014, 05:58 AM   #60
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The Sony Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon couldn't use Kingpin and according to the producers, it was because the Spider-man contract that Sony had didn't have the rights to him.
That's television rights though, and may have been covered under a different contract.
Fisk was in the CG Spidey cartoon though, so clearly Sony still had the rights to use him at that point. (Post Daredevil.)

Perhaps when the Daredevil rights reverted to Marvel, Fisk came along with them somehow? Convoluted!
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