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Old May 13 2014, 02:03 AM   #61
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Re: ''The Holiest Thing'' (Star Trek Phase 2)

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Anyone who pays for a episode that is free online is a fool. Where the illegal stuff happens is at some Star Trek Conventions (especially outside the U.S.) where people make DVD's of P2 and other fan films and try to sell them to fans at conventions. This especially prevalent in countries that have slow internet speeds make watching online almost impossible. This is a practice that has been unfortunately going on for several years.
Well I have been attending FedCon, and numerous other conventions in Europe, for many years and always actively look for dealers trying to sell our episodes. I have yet to find anybody doing so, although I know this has happened in the USA.

I have been running a website about the FedCon convention for many years. It can be seen here: http://www.trekcon.de
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Old May 13 2014, 01:14 PM   #62
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Peter (startrekphase2 de) let me say publicly that I love and appreciate the reliability and high quality of everything at your website. At Star Trek Reviewed I use it as the primary website for Phase II downloads and subtitles. I treat other download sites as mirrors, precisely because of the quality you provide. I particularly appreciate the clear layout of available subtitles.

There is a difference between criticism and attack. Although there are many negative comments on this thread about Phase II which I disagree with, I only responded to the one which I considered an unreasonable attack. I did not get crazy when somebody called James Cawley's Kirk "one note" or something like that. I don't agree, but the writer was within bounds. He is entitled to his opinion, just as I am entitled to find Shatner's acting a joke, and to prefer Cawley (AND Pine. And Vic). We don't all respond to the same thing. And I probably just offended James Cawley, more than the guy who criticized Cawley himself, because I think he's a big Shatner fan.

There are many hundreds of Star Trek fan films. I haven't counted how many I have at Star Trek Reviewed and the adjunct websites in many years, but in fact I'm told by some of my readers that I link to THOUSANDS of them. Most Star Trek Fan Films are just Trek fans having fun, and frankly, I enjoy those, too. But I am grateful to ALL of the high end producers of fan Trek, because I watched Star Trek TOS first run, and I've seen every minute of professional Trek (Even STID on Blu-Ray at a friend's home) and I am not a re-run person. Some of them are fanatical about time, some about special effects, some about some other aspect of Trek. But I consider them gifts, and I am grateful for them.

If you don't like them, watch something else, read a book, take a walk, play a game. If you want to sample other Star Trek Fan Films you haven't tried, don't waste time hunting. Let me do that for you. Drop by Star Trek Reviewed and try a few... or a few dozen.
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Old May 13 2014, 06:22 PM   #63
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You mean pandering to their audience?
Um... yeah. That's kind of what you do in the entertainment world. Or is it coincidence that I get one e-mail a week with "Walking Dead" interviews and updates? What you call pandering, most people would call "Marketing 101."

I really have a problem with the "don't critique -- just be grateful" attitude. The folks at Phase II are the ones that set the "professional production" expectations. Should people be surprised, then, when the production is critiqued based on that standard?

Look, when you say you're going to release something on a certain date and then for weeks afterward the website still reads "coming soon [on date that has long since passed]," people will wonder what's going on. It's only natural.

Is it any skin off my back? No; I'll certainly live. My life will be the same whether Phase II releases ten episodes a year or none. But it's not in their best interest to be silent at such moments if they're trying to build and preserve a following.

There's such defensiveness about anything resembling criticism of Phase II. I'm impressed by how far they've come, always look forward to their episodes, and wish them nothing but the best. But they're not sacred cows.
This is not altogether an unfair assessment. Well said.

From my own interactions with their personnel, GSchnitzer is just about the only person who Phase II has working for them currently who seems to understand what the word "professionalism" means, and he exudes it in every post, every interaction.
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Old May 14 2014, 01:53 AM   #64
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anyone who thinks Phase II "may" be making money off their website by some "back door" method doesn't understand the many, many times a week that the CBS lawyers are hanging out there looking around. While I was involved their visits were tracked...it was quite humbling.
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Old May 18 2014, 01:57 AM   #65
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This is not altogether an unfair assessment. Well said.

From my own interactions with their personnel, GSchnitzer is just about the only person who Phase II has working for them currently who seems to understand what the word "professionalism" means, and he exudes it in every post, every interaction.

I am pretty sure you aren't the person to be passing judgement on what "professionalism" is.
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Old May 18 2014, 07:12 AM   #66
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Oh stop it, both of you.
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Old May 18 2014, 05:36 PM   #67
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Old May 20 2014, 04:25 PM   #68
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Oh stop it, both of you.
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Kinda reassuring there are constants in the world
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Old November 19 2014, 07:12 PM   #69
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At Star Trek Phase II, we’ve been at this for over ten years now. We’ve had nine full-length episodes (“Come What May,” “In Harm’s Way,” “To Serve All My Days,” “World Enough and Time,” “Blood and Fire, Part 1,” “Blood and Fire, Part 2,” “Enemy: Starfleet!,” “The Child,” and “Kitumba,” ), three short vignettes (“Center Seat,” “No Win Scenario,” and “Boldly Going”) and two full-length episodes still in post-production (“Bread and Savagery” and “The Holiest Thing”).

Our brethren at Star Trek Continues have, to date, released two full-length episodes (“Pilgrim of Eternity” and “Lolani”) and three short vignettes (“Turnabout Intruder,” “You’ve Got the Conn,” and “Happy Birthday, Scotty”), with one full-length episode in post-production.

It will be interesting to check out Star Trek Continues’ in the year 2024 to see what their total collective output has been ten years hence.

An FYI: Ms. Barbara Luna from TOS episode "Mirror, Mirror" (and so much else!) was 71 years old at the time the Star Trek Phase II episode "Enemy: Starfleet!" was lensed.

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It's tempting to blame it on funding, but even someone not in any way involved with any production, like myself, can see that Phase II has major flaws (i.e., I'm not expert in the business, and even I can see, just from plain old common sense, that they do it wrong). For example, at any given time, they are working on three or four different episodes. They constantly post about filming or wrapping filming or otherwise working on some future episode, while the one that's supposed to come next still hasn't come out yet. Instead of working on multiple episodes, when they average less than one episode per year, work on only one episode at a time and get that one done, then start work on the next one. How f-ing obvious is that? But it's not to them, and that's why Phase II has far bigger problems than just money. Another obvious issue is their focus on getting "real" Star Trek actors and actresses (despite the fact that they are a thousand years old at this point) and "real" writers and so forth, and the actual story comes second. The Child, Blood and Fire, and that one where James had to make out with an 80 year old woman, I can't remember the name of it, are all good examples of big names but the writing and story just didn't come out, especially when The Child was already done on TNG and Blood and Fire was just plain boring.
So are these episodes going to be released or have they effectively been shelved?
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Old November 19 2014, 07:23 PM   #70
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So are these episodes going to be released or have they effectively been shelved?
"Mind-Sifter" is due to be released on December 1, 2014 and "The Holiest Thing" will be released shortly afterwards (no precise date yet, but it is being completed now).

http://www.startrekphase2.de/mindsifter
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Old November 19 2014, 11:35 PM   #71
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Zeppster:

It turns out our last three episodes we filmed are crossing the finish line and being released in reverse order from how they were shot. Mind-Sifter should be out on December 1st and The Holiest Thing should be out later in the Spring. Bread and Savagery still needs some work--but it's not being scrapped; it's just slow. No release date set. By the end of 2015?

The only things that're scrapped is all the stuff we shot for Origins: The Protracted Man, as well as all the stuff we shot for our earlier version of Mind-Sifter before we reshot the whole thing in its entirety.
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Old November 19 2014, 11:44 PM   #72
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Old November 19 2014, 11:45 PM   #73
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It turns out our last three episodes we filmed are crossing the finish line and being released in reverse order from how they were shot. Mind-Sifter should be out on December 1st and The Holiest Thing should be out later in the Spring. Bread and Savagery still needs some work--but it's not being scrapped; it's just slow. No release date set. By the end of 2015?

The only things that're scrapped is all the stuff we shot for Origins: The Protracted Man, as well as all the stuff we shot for our earlier version of Mind-Sifter before we reshot the whole thing in its entirety.
Thanks for the update, I was woundering about this.
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Old November 20 2014, 12:12 AM   #74
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It turns out our last three episodes we filmed are crossing the finish line and being released in reverse order from how they were shot. Mind-Sifter should be out on December 1st and The Holiest Thing should be out later in the Spring. Bread and Savagery still needs some work--but it's not being scrapped; it's just slow. No release date set. By the end of 2015?

The only things that're scrapped is all the stuff we shot for Origins: The Protracted Man, as well as all the stuff we shot for our earlier version of Mind-Sifter before we reshot the whole thing in its entirety.
So does this mean the summer 2015 shoot will be pickups for Bread & Savagery or will you be moving on to a new film?
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It turns out our last three episodes we filmed are crossing the finish line and being released in reverse order from how they were shot. Mind-Sifter should be out on December 1st and The Holiest Thing should be out later in the Spring. Bread and Savagery still needs some work--but it's not being scrapped; it's just slow. No release date set. By the end of 2015?

The only things that're scrapped is all the stuff we shot for Origins: The Protracted Man, as well as all the stuff we shot for our earlier version of Mind-Sifter before we reshot the whole thing in its entirety.
So does this mean the summer 2015 shoot will be pickups for Bread & Savagery or will you be moving on to a new film?
We just have a day or so of stuff we need to grab. We were going to grab it at our October pick-ups, but it didn't happen. I don't see our full shoot being taken up by the quick shots we need to grab.

James mentioned a story outline he's received about which he's pretty excited. If we can get it to final script in time, that will likely be the story we do. The writer is a professional and knows how to turn stuff around quickly; she'll probably come through for us.
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