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Old April 27 2014, 01:18 PM   #2341
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They've already cast an actress to play one of the Children of the Forest this year, so that's almost certainly part of what it means. I imagine some reference to Dany, her dragons, and her human "children" is also involved. Possibly they'll do the chaining of the dragons in this year's finale.
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Old April 27 2014, 04:18 PM   #2342
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Certainly significant parts of Books IV and V are being dealt with this season.

I was reading some of Bran's story from ADWD again and I was struck by how mild Winter actually is in these books. In our own world, in winter in the North there is no way you can walk for even a few hours let alone days on end without dying of exposure or at least getting severe frostbite. Even the streams are not frozen solid north of the wall.
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Old April 27 2014, 04:28 PM   #2343
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If I remember right, it's not until the last scene or one of the last scenes that winter officially comes. So it was technically still fall when we last saw Bran.
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Old April 28 2014, 08:12 PM   #2344
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I agree with the above. The Shae in the book was remote enough to make the betrayal believeable. The Shae in the show appears to be incorruptible. I'm really wondering how they are going to handle this.
I think she can be easily pissed-off enough though. In most every scene, post-marriage, with Tyrion, she already comes across as betrayed.
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Old April 29 2014, 08:09 AM   #2345
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Book purists are going to be increasingly unhappy with the show from here on.
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Old April 29 2014, 08:59 AM   #2346
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I don't see how this episode was particularly more impure than the show has been for the majority of its run. The last scene was overkill, and Bran and Jon's story this season seems to be pretty much made of wholecloth, but you could say much the same for Dany's story in the 2nd season and a few other substantial chunks of the series.
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Old April 29 2014, 02:24 PM   #2347
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Despite being what some people would call a "book purist" (that is, I think Benioff and Weiss' invented material has been consistently cliche-ridden and poorly thought out; if they made a substantive rather than logistical change that was actually any good I'd be fine with it), I find it difficult to care about any of this week's changes, because I know they're not going to come to anything. The show is just marking time so it can hold the ending of A Storm of Swords to the final episodes of the season. As with the changes to Dany in season 2, everyone will end up exactly where they do in the books. In narrative terms, anyway; I'm sure the whitewashing of certain fan favorites will continue. But that's nothing new either.

Here are some outtakes from Martin's interview with Rolling Stone.
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Old April 29 2014, 03:44 PM   #2348
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I can understand the changes they made to Dany's storyline in S2. In ACOK she really doesn't HAVE a story. She and the others get to Qarth, just basically walk around and lick their wounds, she has her visions at the House of the Undying and they leave.

That wouldn't work on TV, so she needed a real storyline.
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Old April 29 2014, 04:15 PM   #2349
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Even granting that they needed to change Daenerys' storyline for season two (I don't, but I've said my piece on that subject somewhere back in the long history of this thread), the way they went about it underlines the problem: they aren't willing to change end results, so all they can do is contrive dramatic-seeming twists that don't actually matter. The Qarth of the show doesn't end up serving any real narrative or thematic purpose; but for the fact that it would throw the larger timeline out of whack, Daenerys might as well have gone straight to Slaver's Bay.
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Old April 29 2014, 04:18 PM   #2350
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Considering that Qarth plays a role in the later counter-revolutions to Dany's abolitionist efforts, I think it makes sense that we saw Qarth. Although since Dany left Qarth without any government to speak of (all dead or trapped in a vault), I'm not sure where they could go with it. I guess maybe Xaro Xhoan Daxos got out of his vault and continued to run the city.
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Old April 29 2014, 04:30 PM   #2351
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Probably there are survivors in Qarth who took over after the current leadership all died and are opposed to Dany since it was her presence that caused it all in the first place.
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Old April 29 2014, 04:40 PM   #2352
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Indeed, that would form a reasonable basis for an alliance with other enemies of hers.
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Old May 12 2014, 03:20 PM   #2353
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Personally I'm just beginning to wonder if they're actually going to have Lady Stoneheart in the TV show at all. Halfway through the season and I'm still waiting for her.
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They might be saving her for an end-of-season reveal.
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Old May 12 2014, 03:32 PM   #2355
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They might be saving her for an end-of-season reveal.
I'm hoping so. Be better than Dany crowd-surfing, anyway.
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