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Old May 8 2014, 10:47 AM   #16
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

As a child I thought that Sulu was shirtless with a sword in every episode.

Kept wondering why week after week, how is it that I always happened to watch the one episode where he wasn't.
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Old May 8 2014, 11:21 AM   #17
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

THREE MORE EPISODES TO GO.

Oh and yes (amazingly) I forgot that JJ in his infinite fanwank wisdom WILL GIVE US shirtless Cho Sulu when he gives us Captain Sulu of the USS Excelsior. With swords. And I will be very happy.

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Old May 8 2014, 12:35 PM   #18
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

Voyager can't survive the galactic void.

Centuries of nothing.

No natural resources to mine/harvest, and no people to trade with.

It's not almost impossible, it's completely impossible.

Kathryn would need a new ship with a different sort of engine to cross between galaxies, and that's even if in this supposition that the Galaxy they have flung Voyager too is next door to the Milkyway.
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Old May 8 2014, 06:31 PM   #19
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

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Would it be too nasty to say that the vastly greater gulf in distance that you are suggesting have been put in a Federation vessel's way, would have been inversely proportionate to the ability of the show runners to conceive of, much less execute? Moving out of the realm of the tendentious, I would just say that such a plan would be too far removed from the familiarity of references and just plain regular idiom that our galaxy, even as far removed as the DQ, provided for the ST paradigm as it developed.


I doubt that the producers would have been foolish enought to trivialize the reality that such a prospect would have truly represented, but at the same time I don't think that sculpting out a plausible dynamic that would come to grips with the redefinition of ship processes, command hierarchy, crew expectations and so much more was up the alley of what ST was designed and, more significantly, relied on to offer. This is too alien, with no recognizable touchstones to acknowledge every now and then and, the sudsy factor notwithstanding, the existential angst of an SGU-type direction is just not what the brand had in its DNA.
It's not like it would've been anything new. Kirk and Picard both left the Galaxy as well in their shows.
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Old May 8 2014, 07:19 PM   #20
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

I never really liked them being in the Delta Quadrant at all. I thought it was overkill as it was and a bit too much of copying the idea of DS9's Gamma Quadrant (in the sense of a place on the other side of the Galaxy).

IMO, the series still could have worked if the ship was just a few thousand light-years from the edge of Federation space in unexplored and sometimes hostile territory. We would have lost the notion of them trying to find a way home ala Gilligan's Island, but every other aspect of the series would have remained the same as there would still be a question of "if" they get home during their several-year unsupported voyage through unfamiliar space.
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Old May 8 2014, 10:37 PM   #21
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

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Voyager can't survive the galactic void.

Centuries of nothing.

No natural resources to mine/harvest, and no people to trade with.

It's not almost impossible, it's completely impossible.

Kathryn would need a new ship with a different sort of engine to cross between galaxies, and that's even if in this supposition that the Galaxy they have flung Voyager too is next door to the Milkyway.
^Retweet. It's grounded in both real-life science and realism in fiction.

Unless the show creators come up with the most ridiculous macguffin ever.
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Old May 8 2014, 10:53 PM   #22
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

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Voyager can't survive the galactic void.

Centuries of nothing.

No natural resources to mine/harvest, and no people to trade with.

It's not almost impossible, it's completely impossible.

Kathryn would need a new ship with a different sort of engine to cross between galaxies, and that's even if in this supposition that the Galaxy they have flung Voyager too is next door to the Milkyway.
^Retweet. It's grounded in both real-life science and realism in fiction.

Unless the show creators come up with the most ridiculous macguffin ever.
Wouldn't that have been like, you know, the challenge?

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Old May 9 2014, 06:52 AM   #23
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

Picard and Kirk got stuck in other Galaxies or outside the Galaxy, no one thought it was strange they got back.
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Old May 9 2014, 07:31 AM   #24
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

Kirk got stuck in the revovling door in the pilot... LIKE WINNIE THE POOH!

Meanwhile, in the 3rd season's is There Truth in Beauty, they literrally became horribly lost after they got 12 feet out pas the great barrier... Was there a Medusan on Janeway's crew?
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Old May 9 2014, 11:50 AM   #25
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

Lost in another galaxy or universe would have made the situation seem more helpless, and alleviated the speed/time/distance issues between Voyager and the other series' a little bit. I say it would have been a nice idea.
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Old May 9 2014, 12:10 PM   #26
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

A million years to get home?

#### that.

They would have planted a flag on the first uninhabited world.
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Old May 11 2014, 11:35 AM   #27
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

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A million years to get home?

#### that.

They would have planted a flag on the first uninhabited world.
Like Kirk and Picard did?
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Old May 12 2014, 03:30 AM   #28
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

Nah. Like everyone who's read Blish knows, in interstellar space there's nothing of interest except planets full of Earth refugee/colonists and the only thing in another galaxy is a weird, vaguely defined space-time anomaly of antimatter/antitime that's destroying and creating the universe, and those kinds of settings are just not Voyager's core competencies.
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Old May 13 2014, 03:29 AM   #29
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Re: Instead of DQ, should Voyager have been in another galaxy?

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It's not like it would've been anything new. Kirk and Picard both left the Galaxy as well in their shows.
New, maybe not. But it's one thing to be outside the galaxy for a cup of coffee, or what, a few days in By Any Other Name? Then turn around and pretty much get back on very familiar ground speedily through your own or other's (Kelvans) devices.

Quite another to lay out an all encompassing framework that, with any degree of plausibility, would need to be presented pretty much as terra incognita.
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Old May 13 2014, 03:39 AM   #30
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A million years to get home?

#### that.

They would have planted a flag on the first uninhabited world.
Like Kirk and Picard did?
Kirk went native in The Paradise Syndrome, and made a home for himself in the Nexus for 70 years playing house with Antonia.

Meanwhile Picard eventually gave up in Inner Light and made a family. Lots of family.



But would they have still bent over, if they still had had their star ships?
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