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Old May 7 2014, 09:33 PM   #31
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Re: Kahless Mimicking Voices?

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Is there any insight to be gained by looking at what Kahless's voice mimicking achieved? It only seemed to be successful in rooting out another Excalbian, as someone pointed out, neither Spock nor Kirk were tricked by the ruse.

Something else I always wonder, did the Excalbian's who were "killed" really die, or was it part of the act, and once they returned to their normal state were still alive. Any thoughts on that?
Along similar lines, it's worth noting that when amongst themselves, the Excalbian/historical figures seemed to act and speak like they were the genuine articles. No "Boy I can't wait to shed this Colonel Green guise!" In By Any Other Name, the Kelvans among themselves made no secret of what they really were. Do the Excalbians have the ability to suppress their own identities when 'disguised'?
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Old May 8 2014, 10:21 AM   #32
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We could be seeing a collective sapience for all we know, or at least a single individual with many bodies. Or the rock monster could be another puppet manifestation of the essentially formless Excalbian species. Or a robot of sorts, readily programmable for a variety of purposes: spokesperson for interacting with aliens, fake Earthling for amusement, who knows what else.

The default assumption, that the talking and walking rock is an Excalbian, might not do justice to the evident capabilities of the species. Reading minds, changing appearances, and manipulating orbiting starships at will... That's a combination of skills only found in God Himself, or at least the ST6:TFF incarnation of Him! (Although the Melkotians did relatively well there, too.)

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Old May 9 2014, 06:50 PM   #33
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Re: Kahless Mimicking Voices?

LMFAOschwarz wrote: View Post
Along similar lines, it's worth noting that when amongst themselves, the Excalbian/historical figures seemed to act and speak like they were the genuine articles. No "Boy I can't wait to shed this Colonel Green guise!" In By Any Other Name, the Kelvans among themselves made no secret of what they really were. Do the Excalbians have the ability to suppress their own identities when 'disguised'?
Good point. I like how you've drawn from the Kelvans as an example of what may be transpiring here. It is very possible The Savage Curtain was influenced by that Other episode, as it was produced earlier in the series. It's also interesting to me the alien race in By Any Other Name was basically named after a measurement of temperate, and a distinctive feature of the Excalbians is their extreme heat.

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We could be seeing a collective sapience for all we know, or at least a single individual with many bodies. Or the rock monster could be another puppet manifestation of the essentially formless Excalbian species. Or a robot of sorts, readily programmable for a variety of purposes: spokesperson for interacting with aliens, fake Earthling for amusement, who knows what else.
I like the idea here too, since the planet in its natural state is a liquid sea of molten rock. However, there is one line of dialog which posses a problem:

ROCK: Our world is called Excalbia. Countless who live on that planet are watching.

That would indicate separate individuals and not one massive being. One thing that always felt odd about that line, weren't they on Excalbia? It makes it sound like their on some other planet. Perhaps this is a holdover from an earlier version of the script, I guess we'll have to wait for These Are The Voyages Vol 3 to see if there are any clues there!

It could be the planet they are on is not Excalbia, but another world the Excalbian's use for these tests. Maybe its liquid state is ideal for the Excalbian's "godlike" manipulation of matter.

One last thought, does the premise of this episode remind anyone of Solaris at all?

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Old May 10 2014, 12:57 AM   #34
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Re: Kahless Mimicking Voices?

Of course, if you treat only TOS as canon the whole problem goes away...

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Old May 10 2014, 08:59 PM   #35
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ROCK: Our world is called Excalbia. Countless who live on that planet are watching.

That would indicate separate individuals and not one massive being.
Right. Possibly a DS9 Founder/Changeling -style setup...?

One thing that always felt odd about that line, weren't they on Excalbia?
That's a good catch, and it would indeed make story sense for this place not to be the homeworld of the species but rather a forum for their experimentation. They can turn molten lava into "Earthlike" (or at least Hollywood-studio-floor-like) terrain, and rock creatures into Lincolns; perhaps they also turn molten lave into these crude rock creatures at will, to facilitate their games, and the actual Excalbian species is something different altogether, naturally capable of feats such as matter manipulation and interstellar vision... (Or then it's all done by machines, and their technology simply is difficult to spot by human eye.)

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Old May 10 2014, 10:03 PM   #36
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Right. Possibly a DS9 Founder/Changeling -style setup...?
Most definitely, there can be no doubt they are shape shifters at any rate.

After reading your last post I went over the transcript of the episode more closely. I must say everything in the script except that one "that" seems to indicate they were on Excalbia. At this point, after a more detailed look at the dialog, I'm inclined to think it was a misspoken word which no one caught. The Rock was probably supposed to have said "on this planet" instead of "on that planet." This does not discredit your conjecture about the true nature of the Excalbians though. With the kind of games they play, they may have good reason to keep their true nature concealed.
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Old May 11 2014, 02:16 PM   #37
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Of course, if you treat only TOS as canon the whole problem goes away...

Now with the expanded universe, I suppose someone already wrote something to explain that Kahless was able to mimick voice because he was a Section 31 operative.
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Old May 17 2014, 05:03 AM   #38
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Of course, if you treat only TOS as canon the whole problem goes away...

Now with the expanded universe, I suppose someone already wrote something to explain that Kahless was able to mimick voice because he was a Section 31 operative.
When in doubt, Section 31.
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